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> I'm sure you're kidding, but in the case that you're not https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dijit 4y ago
Probably you're referring to: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. But, I'm not being snarky or rude... I'm just not 100% sure he is being sarcastic. Given that Make is not portable and does not include _any_ tools that it is commonly used to execute, I consider it hugely sarcastic. However, other lines were true and it sounds like it was written seriously, so, can't tell if sarcasm or not.
- falcolas 4y ago
  Being fair, your rant is about autotools and c compilation, not make, so your own post is as equally suspect for being satire.
  - dijit 4y ago
    There is more to my rant than just autotools and C compilation though, and it applies equally. I went into more detail for you here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34319254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34319254 (btw, most of times I've used "Make" has been times where the pain has been done for me or I'm using Python, Go, Docker or in one case: Rust. I have never touched Autotools or C-compilation myself with Make, my arguments have nothing to do with C compilation at all.)
    - falcolas 4y ago
      If you’re complaining about ./compile or valgrind, you’re soundly in the world of autotools and C compilation. Not make.
      - dijit 4y ago
        These are just examples of poor portability (thus workarounds) and tools that are not installed when you run `make` as the GP suggested, the claim was that you could write a make file and kinda not have to worry about anything else. Not the case. I could just as easily talk about the pathing issues between MacOS and Linux: or the multiplicity of issues surrounding `sed` (GNU) and `sed` (BSD), or that the `black` python formatter won't be installed by default. It is not as easy as the author claimed, you need whatever dependencies you call on, obviously.
- canadianfella 4y ago
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eyelidlessness 4y ago
Unlike OP, I get the impression you’re referring to the good faith clause. I think they did that admirably, balancing a stated assumption that the intent was well meaning and knowledgeable jest with a friendly and informative rebuttal clearly intended to be helpful if their assumption was flawed. But you could be referencing any number of other things in the guidelines. It would be incredibly helpful if people on HN who engage in community moderation actually explain their reasoning. Here I’ll help: > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. If you’re bothered enough by someone’s comments to link the guidelines, sharing a thought about which part of them is pertinent would be more thoughtful and would facilitate a healthier discussion. > Please don't post shallow dismissals […] A good critical comment teaches us something. This is one I’m working on too. If it’s worth challenging something, it’s probably worth challenging it with some proverbial meat. It might seem obviously wrong to you, or to me, but it doesn’t always seem that obvious to everyone else. I’m certain you meant well with this, but I also think OP would benefit from clarification. I know I would too, and I expect the discussion would benefit as well.

dijit 4y ago

Probably you're referring to: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. But, I'm not being snarky or rude... I'm just not 100% sure he is being sarcastic. Given that Make is not portable and does not include _any_ tools that it is commonly used to execute, I consider it hugely sarcastic. However, other lines were true and it sounds like it was written seriously, so, can't tell if sarcasm or not.

falcolas 4y ago
Being fair, your rant is about autotools and c compilation, not make, so your own post is as equally suspect for being satire.
- dijit 4y ago
  There is more to my rant than just autotools and C compilation though, and it applies equally. I went into more detail for you here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34319254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34319254 (btw, most of times I've used "Make" has been times where the pain has been done for me or I'm using Python, Go, Docker or in one case: Rust. I have never touched Autotools or C-compilation myself with Make, my arguments have nothing to do with C compilation at all.)
  - falcolas 4y ago
    If you’re complaining about ./compile or valgrind, you’re soundly in the world of autotools and C compilation. Not make.
    - dijit 4y ago
      These are just examples of poor portability (thus workarounds) and tools that are not installed when you run `make` as the GP suggested, the claim was that you could write a make file and kinda not have to worry about anything else. Not the case. I could just as easily talk about the pathing issues between MacOS and Linux: or the multiplicity of issues surrounding `sed` (GNU) and `sed` (BSD), or that the `black` python formatter won't be installed by default. It is not as easy as the author claimed, you need whatever dependencies you call on, obviously.
canadianfella 4y ago
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eyelidlessness 4y ago

Unlike OP, I get the impression you’re referring to the good faith clause. I think they did that admirably, balancing a stated assumption that the intent was well meaning and knowledgeable jest with a friendly and informative rebuttal clearly intended to be helpful if their assumption was flawed. But you could be referencing any number of other things in the guidelines. It would be incredibly helpful if people on HN who engage in community moderation actually explain their reasoning. Here I’ll help: > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. If you’re bothered enough by someone’s comments to link the guidelines, sharing a thought about which part of them is pertinent would be more thoughtful and would facilitate a healthier discussion. > Please don't post shallow dismissals […] A good critical comment teaches us something. This is one I’m working on too. If it’s worth challenging something, it’s probably worth challenging it with some proverbial meat. It might seem obviously wrong to you, or to me, but it doesn’t always seem that obvious to everyone else. I’m certain you meant well with this, but I also think OP would benefit from clarification. I know I would too, and I expect the discussion would benefit as well.