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I don't think cheaters will use any text from ChatGPT verbatim. The majority of "cheating" is going to be similar to how students use Wikipedia as a reference.

I don't think cheaters will use any text from ChatGPT verbatim. The majority of "cheating" is going to be similar to how students use Wikipedia as a reference. This might be useful to filter spam from places that initially got bombarded, like stack overflow. I agree with other comments, it's hard to judge the value of this tool without false positive/negative stats. The output isn't completely deterministic though so I wonder how "certain" this tool can be.

a_bonobo 4y ago
You'd be surprised how many students turn in Wikipedia-articles run through software that replaces words with (often wrong) synonyms. I've tutored students who paid such find-and-replace services. Zero effort for the majority of students that cheat, very easy to detect, rarely punished (a zero on an essay here or there, no expulsion - students are customers after all). There will be paid ChatGPT services for cheating students, the ideal solution would be to rethink and rehaul how student performance is evaluated, but universities will instead pay something like Turnitin because throwing money at a problem is always easier than thinking.
- analog31 4y ago
  I taught college for a brief time. Catching cheaters is hard work, and unpaid, and it's perceived that doing it too much affects your chances of getting your contract renewed. "Let the employers or the next course level sort them out" seems to be a more pragmatic strategy.
  - kspacewalk2 4y ago
    Seeig a fellow TA pursue a cheater who copied a major math assignment symbol for symbol from another student, mistakes and all, and fail to break through the bureaucracy and achieve actual punishment was quite an eye opening experience. If this is how brazen cheaters are handled in one of the top Canadian engineering schools, what hope is there?
    - asdff 4y ago
      That's not how its handled in American universities. TA refers the suspected evidence to their superior then they hear nothing about it because its no longer their business, its between the student and the administration at that point, and students certainly get expelled.
      - fakedang 4y ago
        I guess Canadian unis need that sweet sweet foreign money to keep the lights on.
        kspacewalk2 4y ago
        Nothing to do with that at all. This is a top notch school, almost all students were domestic at the time (not sure about now, this took place in 2009).
      - kspacewalk2 4y ago
        Given that >they hear nothing about it because its no longer their business how are you so certain that >students certainly get expelled ?

a_bonobo 4y ago

You'd be surprised how many students turn in Wikipedia-articles run through software that replaces words with (often wrong) synonyms. I've tutored students who paid such find-and-replace services. Zero effort for the majority of students that cheat, very easy to detect, rarely punished (a zero on an essay here or there, no expulsion - students are customers after all). There will be paid ChatGPT services for cheating students, the ideal solution would be to rethink and rehaul how student performance is evaluated, but universities will instead pay something like Turnitin because throwing money at a problem is always easier than thinking.

analog31 4y ago
I taught college for a brief time. Catching cheaters is hard work, and unpaid, and it's perceived that doing it too much affects your chances of getting your contract renewed. "Let the employers or the next course level sort them out" seems to be a more pragmatic strategy.
- kspacewalk2 4y ago
  Seeig a fellow TA pursue a cheater who copied a major math assignment symbol for symbol from another student, mistakes and all, and fail to break through the bureaucracy and achieve actual punishment was quite an eye opening experience. If this is how brazen cheaters are handled in one of the top Canadian engineering schools, what hope is there?
  - asdff 4y ago
    That's not how its handled in American universities. TA refers the suspected evidence to their superior then they hear nothing about it because its no longer their business, its between the student and the administration at that point, and students certainly get expelled.
    - fakedang 4y ago
      I guess Canadian unis need that sweet sweet foreign money to keep the lights on.
      - kspacewalk2 4y ago
        Nothing to do with that at all. This is a top notch school, almost all students were domestic at the time (not sure about now, this took place in 2009).
    - kspacewalk2 4y ago
      Given that >they hear nothing about it because its no longer their business how are you so certain that >students certainly get expelled ?