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Depending on where you live you may be out of luck in the future. Some places are requiring them in new construction. Including California.

yamtaddle 4y ago
Hope that comes with a price drop. Gas is the only option right now if you want cheap and well-performing. Last I checked (maybe a year ago?) the cheapest induction ranges were well into the middle tier of prices. Which makes the fact that I keep seeing stuff about their tending to stop working after only a few years, or suffering from very-fragile surfaces that are easy to crack and ruin, even more of a turn-off.
- jerlam 4y ago
  Maybe the ranges are cheap. But the price of natural gas has soared over the past year. Right now, it's cheap again, but it seems that prices are a lot more volatile than electricity, which will benefit from alternative sources of production and storage.
  - weaksauce 4y ago
    in socal the price of natgas is soaring. they expect this next month to be 3x more expensive than last month which was also more expensive than before. went from $27 to $75 and probably now going to be $200+ for the same amount of use. we'll see. https://www.ocregister.com/2023/01/06/your-natural-gas-bills-to-jump-shockingly-high-across-region-socalgas-warns/ https://www.ocregister.com/2023/01/06/your-natural-gas-bills...
econonut 4y ago
Yes, gas stoves are an unfortunate victim of climate policies enacted at the local level as city governments aim to ban all natural gas appliances in new construction in their misguided attempt to save the planet. Don't get me wrong, there is plenty they can do, but banning gas stoves is a ridiculous overstep.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  Cities are able to take this action because they know they have no intention of building anything ever again, so the impact to actual residents and voters is zero. I should know: my city of Berkeley was the first to ban them. It is pure greenwashing. The final insult is single-family home construction and remodel can elect to use gas if they want.
  - econonut 4y ago
    That's fine for your city, but sucks for those of us living in the midwest. I can't speak for every city, but our growing city likes to model its policies after CA policies, so we get thousands of newly built electric-only homes & apartments.
    - jeffbee 4y ago
      Well, if your city adopts every dumb idea from Berkeley, that's on you guys. I thought everyone knew we are nuts.
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      >but our growing city likes to model its policies after CA policies Who elects your city leaders? This is your own fault. If your city liked to model its policies after Russian policies, or Saudi Arabian policies, would that be those countries' fault?
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Cities are able to take this action because they know they have no intention of building anything ever again, California cities don’t, since their choice now is between “approve enough new housing voluntarily” or “lose the ability to reject new housing entirely”. Builder's remedy expansion under the Housing Crisis Act of 2019 has changed the landscape fundamentally.
    - jeffbee 4y ago
      Get back to me as soon as any "builder's remedy" project breaks ground.

yamtaddle 4y ago

Hope that comes with a price drop. Gas is the only option right now if you want cheap and well-performing. Last I checked (maybe a year ago?) the cheapest induction ranges were well into the middle tier of prices. Which makes the fact that I keep seeing stuff about their tending to stop working after only a few years, or suffering from very-fragile surfaces that are easy to crack and ruin, even more of a turn-off.

jerlam 4y ago
Maybe the ranges are cheap. But the price of natural gas has soared over the past year. Right now, it's cheap again, but it seems that prices are a lot more volatile than electricity, which will benefit from alternative sources of production and storage.
- weaksauce 4y ago
  in socal the price of natgas is soaring. they expect this next month to be 3x more expensive than last month which was also more expensive than before. went from $27 to $75 and probably now going to be $200+ for the same amount of use. we'll see. https://www.ocregister.com/2023/01/06/your-natural-gas-bills-to-jump-shockingly-high-across-region-socalgas-warns/ https://www.ocregister.com/2023/01/06/your-natural-gas-bills...

econonut 4y ago

Yes, gas stoves are an unfortunate victim of climate policies enacted at the local level as city governments aim to ban all natural gas appliances in new construction in their misguided attempt to save the planet. Don't get me wrong, there is plenty they can do, but banning gas stoves is a ridiculous overstep.

jeffbee 4y ago
Cities are able to take this action because they know they have no intention of building anything ever again, so the impact to actual residents and voters is zero. I should know: my city of Berkeley was the first to ban them. It is pure greenwashing. The final insult is single-family home construction and remodel can elect to use gas if they want.
- econonut 4y ago
  That's fine for your city, but sucks for those of us living in the midwest. I can't speak for every city, but our growing city likes to model its policies after CA policies, so we get thousands of newly built electric-only homes & apartments.
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    Well, if your city adopts every dumb idea from Berkeley, that's on you guys. I thought everyone knew we are nuts.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    >but our growing city likes to model its policies after CA policies Who elects your city leaders? This is your own fault. If your city liked to model its policies after Russian policies, or Saudi Arabian policies, would that be those countries' fault?
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Cities are able to take this action because they know they have no intention of building anything ever again, California cities don’t, since their choice now is between “approve enough new housing voluntarily” or “lose the ability to reject new housing entirely”. Builder's remedy expansion under the Housing Crisis Act of 2019 has changed the landscape fundamentally.
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    Get back to me as soon as any "builder's remedy" project breaks ground.