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The current process is a middle ground. Stay on death row for decades to ultimately be executed (after likelihood of being found innocent is extremely small).

The current process is a middle ground. Stay on death row for decades to ultimately be executed (after likelihood of being found innocent is extremely small). I like the idea of capital punishment because I don't want to pay to keep murderers alive for decades. I feel like the bigger issue is, and what pushes me to think twice on the issue, people get found guilty of murder "without a reasonable doubt" on purely circumstantial evidence and on crappy "eye witness" testimony (people can feel certain they saw something they absolutely did not.) If I were a juror, that wouldn't cut it for me. I'd need pretty hard evidence to give someone the death sentence. If that hard evidence was there, why give them room and board for 20 years before the execution? It's a total waste of money and further drag on society beyond the crime committed.

SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
This, to me, is a profoundly disturbing comment that presumes a level of competence and positive intent within the American criminal justice system that is provably absent.
- conductr 4y ago
  I think that's my point. I like the idea of it but most times I'm not even comfortable with agreeing the person is guilty to begin with. In certain cases, say Jeffrey Dahmer, it's pretty clear cut and I see no use to delay the punishment.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    What is the harm if they rot in jail? Why is it imperative that they be killed?
    - BarryMilo 4y ago
      Incredible that this needs to be asked, while the is the only western country with the death penalty. It's a remnant of a violent past.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  I always liked the Boston Bombing example. Should the Boston bombers [1] receive the death penalty? A lot of arguments against the death penalty are that for many cases you can't actually be sure the person who committed the crime is actually the one convicted. So in those situations I don't think its appropriate it (i.e almost every death penalty case). However, something like the Boston bombing it's really beyond any reasonable doubt. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing
  - SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
    What? No, why do you like this example? There is nothing special about this case that makes his guilt any more "certain" than any other case. Confessions have been proven to be shit, physical evidence is disturbingly often faked, eyewitnesses are among the least reliable sources of information possible, etc. The American criminal justice system is designed to reach conclusions, and explicitly not designed to be accurate. That is no system upon which a capital punishment should ever be applied. I would argue the Boston bombing is a great example of why we shouldn't execute people. He is clearly a disturbed person who needs help, not death.
giraffe_lady 4y ago
> I like the idea of capital punishment because I don't want to pay to keep murderers alive for decades. Tough shit. They aren't your pets you don't get to do cost/benefit analysis of another human's life. Absolutely sick worldview.
- conductr 4y ago
  If you read past that you'd have seen why I was actually arguing against it and due to the bigger issue I see in our justice system. But yes, there are people out there like me that do support capital punishment for various reasons/conditions; sorry to upset you about that news.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    It's not news that there is evil, but it continues to surprise me that people are proud to engage in it.
    - conductr 4y ago
      Ok I'm just stating my thoughts and discussing. I think if you want to retort in this manner, you probably should head over to Reddit
      - giraffe_lady 4y ago
        No this is good. Part of the villainy of this place is that as long as it's "just discussion" and you keep a controlled tone, you can call for whatever viciousness and violence you want. And you can! I can't stop you. But I can also point out that you can be seen when you do this, and my assessment isn't less valid because the idea of stomping out human lives is abhorrent to me.
        conductr 4y ago
        It ceases to be just discussion when you call me evil and vicious and sick world view. It's fine if you disagree in a more productive manner. I wasn't even trying to take a stance; I stated my stance and you attacked. /end
jackson1442 4y ago
> I don't want to pay to keep murderers alive for decades According to the California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice[0], “The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.” [0, pdf warning]: https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/76th2011/ExhibitDocument/OpenExhibitDocument?exhibitId=17686&fileDownloadName=h041211ab501_pescetta.pdf https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/76th2011/ExhibitDo...
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SpeedilyDamage 4y ago

This, to me, is a profoundly disturbing comment that presumes a level of competence and positive intent within the American criminal justice system that is provably absent.

conductr 4y ago
I think that's my point. I like the idea of it but most times I'm not even comfortable with agreeing the person is guilty to begin with. In certain cases, say Jeffrey Dahmer, it's pretty clear cut and I see no use to delay the punishment.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  What is the harm if they rot in jail? Why is it imperative that they be killed?
  - BarryMilo 4y ago
    Incredible that this needs to be asked, while the is the only western country with the death penalty. It's a remnant of a violent past.
lesuorac 4y ago
I always liked the Boston Bombing example. Should the Boston bombers [1] receive the death penalty? A lot of arguments against the death penalty are that for many cases you can't actually be sure the person who committed the crime is actually the one convicted. So in those situations I don't think its appropriate it (i.e almost every death penalty case). However, something like the Boston bombing it's really beyond any reasonable doubt. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing
- SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
  What? No, why do you like this example? There is nothing special about this case that makes his guilt any more "certain" than any other case. Confessions have been proven to be shit, physical evidence is disturbingly often faked, eyewitnesses are among the least reliable sources of information possible, etc. The American criminal justice system is designed to reach conclusions, and explicitly not designed to be accurate. That is no system upon which a capital punishment should ever be applied. I would argue the Boston bombing is a great example of why we shouldn't execute people. He is clearly a disturbed person who needs help, not death.

giraffe_lady 4y ago

> I like the idea of capital punishment because I don't want to pay to keep murderers alive for decades. Tough shit. They aren't your pets you don't get to do cost/benefit analysis of another human's life. Absolutely sick worldview.

conductr 4y ago
If you read past that you'd have seen why I was actually arguing against it and due to the bigger issue I see in our justice system. But yes, there are people out there like me that do support capital punishment for various reasons/conditions; sorry to upset you about that news.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  It's not news that there is evil, but it continues to surprise me that people are proud to engage in it.
  - conductr 4y ago
    Ok I'm just stating my thoughts and discussing. I think if you want to retort in this manner, you probably should head over to Reddit
    - giraffe_lady 4y ago
      No this is good. Part of the villainy of this place is that as long as it's "just discussion" and you keep a controlled tone, you can call for whatever viciousness and violence you want. And you can! I can't stop you. But I can also point out that you can be seen when you do this, and my assessment isn't less valid because the idea of stomping out human lives is abhorrent to me.
      - conductr 4y ago
        It ceases to be just discussion when you call me evil and vicious and sick world view. It's fine if you disagree in a more productive manner. I wasn't even trying to take a stance; I stated my stance and you attacked. /end

jackson1442 4y ago

> I don't want to pay to keep murderers alive for decades According to the California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice[0], “The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.” [0, pdf warning]: https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/76th2011/ExhibitDocument/OpenExhibitDocument?exhibitId=17686&fileDownloadName=h041211ab501_pescetta.pdf https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NELIS/REL/76th2011/ExhibitDo...

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