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One of the many reasons to not carry a cellular device, or at least leave it off or in airplane mode.

by lrvick 4y ago

exabrial 4y ago
Apple devices still operate when "off", FYI
- barbazoo 4y ago
  When the device is powered down or when location services are turned off?
  - shapefrog 4y ago
    Find my network still operates in a powered off state (I assume not forever)
    - gnicholas 4y ago
      Is this true if you disable Find My when you turn off the phone (it's a prompt at shutdown)?
      - shapefrog 4y ago
        No idea.
  - subjectsigma 4y ago
    Yes. I just purchased an iPhone and they tell you as part of the setup that if you activate Find My iPhone or sign up for their emergency services, your phone will continue to send and receive signals even when it is “off”, at least while the battery is not fully drained. I’m fairly certain that Find My iPhone works by other phones or devices scanning for Bluetooth MAC addresses. Before I turned the feature off my phone knew exactly where my Mac was without either being connected to Wi-Fi. The technology is seriously impressive but also deeply disturbing. I felt that Apple did a pretty good job of explaining the privacy concerns during setup, though.
- lrvick 4y ago
  True. That said, I do not know why anyone concerned with security, privacy, or digital sovereignty would own an Apple device.
TechBro8615 4y ago
That's one approach, but perhaps more realistically applicable advice would be to stop granting location services permissions to every app that asks for it.
- lrvick 4y ago
  The cell towers have your location at all times and will give it to anyone with money or a court order.
  - TechBro8615 4y ago
    Ok, so how do I get the location data of my Senator? Do I just need his cell phone number?
    - lrvick 4y ago
      Sadly, yes. I honestly encourage you to do it too. It is the only thing that will make them care. You will need to have access to the privately sold cell carrier lookup services. Ask your local bounty hunter, private investigator, cell carrier employee, or dirty cop. You can also anonymously buy lookups with bitcoin on darknet markets. Joseph Cox from Motherboard proved the above at Defcon 27 to raise awareness. https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=3e6n7jDDmj0 https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=3e6n7jDDmj0
      - TechBro8615 4y ago
        Thanks for the link. I'm surprised I haven't seen this - will be watching it later. Any idea if it's still applicable five years later?
        lrvick 4y ago
        Tracking tech has only gotten better, and more profitable. There is no incentive for carriers to stop selling a product that is legal for them to sell.
    - 4y ago

One of the many reasons to not carry a cellular device, or at least leave it off or in airplane mode.

by lrvick 4y ago

One of the many reasons to not carry a cellular device, or at least leave it off or in airplane mode.

exabrial 4y ago

Apple devices still operate when "off", FYI

barbazoo 4y ago
When the device is powered down or when location services are turned off?
- shapefrog 4y ago
  Find my network still operates in a powered off state (I assume not forever)
  - gnicholas 4y ago
    Is this true if you disable Find My when you turn off the phone (it's a prompt at shutdown)?
    - shapefrog 4y ago
      No idea.
- subjectsigma 4y ago
  Yes. I just purchased an iPhone and they tell you as part of the setup that if you activate Find My iPhone or sign up for their emergency services, your phone will continue to send and receive signals even when it is “off”, at least while the battery is not fully drained. I’m fairly certain that Find My iPhone works by other phones or devices scanning for Bluetooth MAC addresses. Before I turned the feature off my phone knew exactly where my Mac was without either being connected to Wi-Fi. The technology is seriously impressive but also deeply disturbing. I felt that Apple did a pretty good job of explaining the privacy concerns during setup, though.
lrvick 4y ago
True. That said, I do not know why anyone concerned with security, privacy, or digital sovereignty would own an Apple device.

TechBro8615 4y ago

That's one approach, but perhaps more realistically applicable advice would be to stop granting location services permissions to every app that asks for it.

lrvick 4y ago
The cell towers have your location at all times and will give it to anyone with money or a court order.
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  Ok, so how do I get the location data of my Senator? Do I just need his cell phone number?
  - lrvick 4y ago
    Sadly, yes. I honestly encourage you to do it too. It is the only thing that will make them care. You will need to have access to the privately sold cell carrier lookup services. Ask your local bounty hunter, private investigator, cell carrier employee, or dirty cop. You can also anonymously buy lookups with bitcoin on darknet markets. Joseph Cox from Motherboard proved the above at Defcon 27 to raise awareness. https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=3e6n7jDDmj0 https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=3e6n7jDDmj0
    - TechBro8615 4y ago
      Thanks for the link. I'm surprised I haven't seen this - will be watching it later. Any idea if it's still applicable five years later?
      - lrvick 4y ago
        Tracking tech has only gotten better, and more profitable. There is no incentive for carriers to stop selling a product that is legal for them to sell.
  - 4y ago