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> Think if your daughter/son/mom/dad got slaughtered, do you think the pain would be less acute even two decades later? Yeah it would definitely be less acute,

> Think if your daughter/son/mom/dad got slaughtered, do you think the pain would be less acute even two decades later? Yeah it would definitely be less acute, still there every day, but less acute. Like most trauma. Would killing the murderer in 2021 make me feel any better? To that question the answer is without a doubt "no".

aaomidi 4y ago
And honestly if your answer to this is yes, you’re in need of deep help.
- dionidium 4y ago
  This is silly. It’s fine to disagree, but millions (billions?) of healthy, morally ordinary people support the death penalty. They might of course be wrong, in some sense, but they don’t “need help,” for crying out loud.
  - aaomidi 4y ago
    Yes. They do. If you support the death penalty then you’re probably in need of therapy to figure out some deep traumas.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  You ever heard the proverb "revenge is a dish best served cold"? I'm sure you'll get a few cheap virtue points for your rhetoric but the reality of the society we live in seems to contradict your opinion. And for the record (which is really just a fancy way of saying "if I don't say this some jerk will come along and imply otherwise) I am against the death penalty because I think the risk of executing an innocent person is too great.
dvt 4y ago
> Yeah it would definitely be less acute, still there every day, but less acute. Like most trauma. I hope you realize you are co-opting someone's pain for your own political or ethical brownie points. A lot of people are completely happy watching their child's murderer/rapist be punished via the death penalty. You're just trivializing an incredibly complex moral conundrum.
- fzeroracer 4y ago
  Didn't you start this whole argument by doing just that and trying to coopt the pain of a victims family to try and prove a argumentive point? How is it different when you did it?
  - dvt 4y ago
    Nope, because the default, prima facia, position is that killing people is bad and causes pain and requires some kind of response. That's why arguing against the death penalty is actually quite hard. Especially when faced with incontrovertible evidence (video/confessions/etc.).
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      Life in prison isn't a response? Re: the edit, calling confessions "incontrovertible" is... unsupported. https://www.law.northwestern.edu/legalclinic/wrongfulconvictions/issues/falseconfessions/ https://www.law.northwestern.edu/legalclinic/wrongfulconvict...
      - dvt 4y ago
        > Life in prison isn't a response? It is. Some people argue that it's actually a more harsh punishment than death, though. A lot of rich literature here. > calling confessions "incontrovertible" You're missing the forest for the trees, my point was "assuming guilt by default... blah blah." I know confessions aren't technically always reliable.
    - fzeroracer 4y ago
      You didn't actually answer my question. You started by co-opting someones pain for your argument, asked us to put ourselves in their position and then told us we were wrong for doing exactly what you asked and did. And if your default argument is that killing people is wrong then how is the state executing someone better and in favor of the death penalty? Your arguments make no sense.

aaomidi 4y ago

And honestly if your answer to this is yes, you’re in need of deep help.

dionidium 4y ago
This is silly. It’s fine to disagree, but millions (billions?) of healthy, morally ordinary people support the death penalty. They might of course be wrong, in some sense, but they don’t “need help,” for crying out loud.
- aaomidi 4y ago
  Yes. They do. If you support the death penalty then you’re probably in need of therapy to figure out some deep traumas.
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
You ever heard the proverb "revenge is a dish best served cold"? I'm sure you'll get a few cheap virtue points for your rhetoric but the reality of the society we live in seems to contradict your opinion. And for the record (which is really just a fancy way of saying "if I don't say this some jerk will come along and imply otherwise) I am against the death penalty because I think the risk of executing an innocent person is too great.

dvt 4y ago

> Yeah it would definitely be less acute, still there every day, but less acute. Like most trauma. I hope you realize you are co-opting someone's pain for your own political or ethical brownie points. A lot of people are completely happy watching their child's murderer/rapist be punished via the death penalty. You're just trivializing an incredibly complex moral conundrum.

fzeroracer 4y ago
Didn't you start this whole argument by doing just that and trying to coopt the pain of a victims family to try and prove a argumentive point? How is it different when you did it?
- dvt 4y ago
  Nope, because the default, prima facia, position is that killing people is bad and causes pain and requires some kind of response. That's why arguing against the death penalty is actually quite hard. Especially when faced with incontrovertible evidence (video/confessions/etc.).
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Life in prison isn't a response? Re: the edit, calling confessions "incontrovertible" is... unsupported. https://www.law.northwestern.edu/legalclinic/wrongfulconvictions/issues/falseconfessions/ https://www.law.northwestern.edu/legalclinic/wrongfulconvict...
    - dvt 4y ago
      > Life in prison isn't a response? It is. Some people argue that it's actually a more harsh punishment than death, though. A lot of rich literature here. > calling confessions "incontrovertible" You're missing the forest for the trees, my point was "assuming guilt by default... blah blah." I know confessions aren't technically always reliable.
  - fzeroracer 4y ago
    You didn't actually answer my question. You started by co-opting someones pain for your argument, asked us to put ourselves in their position and then told us we were wrong for doing exactly what you asked and did. And if your default argument is that killing people is wrong then how is the state executing someone better and in favor of the death penalty? Your arguments make no sense.