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Sceptre[1] makes non-smart-TVs, Miele[2] washing machines are made to last 20 years. [1] https://www.sceptre.com/TV/4K-UHD-TV/U557CV-UMRB-55-4K-UHD-TV-product1

by taffer 4y ago

Sceptre[1] makes non-smart-TVs, Miele[2] washing machines are made to last 20 years. [1] https://www.sceptre.com/TV/4K-UHD-TV/U557CV-UMRB-55-4K-UHD-TV-product1428category1category73.html https://www.sceptre.com/TV/4K-UHD-TV/U557CV-UMRB-55-4K-UHD-T... [2] https://www.mieleusa.com/e/washing-machines-1015696-c https://www.mieleusa.com/e/washing-machines-1015696-c

TheHappyOddish 4y ago
Everything Sceptre sell appears to be "restock soon" or "out of stock" - is this a real company? Regardless, they don't appear to retail out of the US, so it's hardly a good option for most people.
mhuffman 4y ago
Sceptre certainly keeps that hidden! They need better marketers! For that price point and non-smart, I would have absolutely bought recently. But I have never heard of this brand until today.
- JeremyNT 4y ago
  I have a Sceptre. Let's just say you get what you pay for. If you're concerned about screen quality, you should probably look elsewhere. I do love how dumb it is, though!
pbronez 4y ago
Thanks for sharing! What’s your evidence for Miele’s durability? Is it just their “pro at home” line, or all of them?
- XajniN 4y ago
  Pretty much everything from Miele is built to last for decades. But it is expensive.
xupybd 4y ago
Fisher and Paykel also make washing machines that last. https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/laundry/washing-machines/ https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/laundry/washing-machines/
dachryn 4y ago
Miele quality has gone really downhill last 10 years. But they do more or less guarantee that you will be able to buy replacement parts for 10 years. (NOT 20!) As long as they don't offer warranty for 10 years or 20 years, I consider the machine to be on a 5-10 year lifecycle, like most appliances today. If their machines really would last that long, they would market the hell out of it !explicitly! and offer you that assurance to get your money. Now they are just cruising by on their reputation they built last millenium The good days are over sadly.
- taffer 4y ago
  > As long as they don't offer warranty for 10 years or 20 years, I consider the machine to be on a 5-10 year lifecycle, like most appliances today. That's not how it works. If a product on average lasts 20 years, you can't give a 20-year warranty because life expectancy has a highly skewed distribution. If one out of three machines live for 40 years and two out of three machines live for 10 years, that is 20 years on average, yet you will make a loss on 2/3 of the machines. > I consider the machine to be on a 5-10 year lifecycle, like most appliances today. The good days are over sadly. In reality, it's just a rationalization for buying cheap crap: you just assume that all products are equally bad, and then you just buy the cheapest stuff you can find. That's how we ended up where we are now.
Adverblessly 4y ago
I appreciate your comment for trying to be helpful (and too many sibling comments to reply to also), so apologies if I seem dismissive in my response but... I've heard of Sceptre via HN (and as a sibling comment points out, their quality is not great), but they aren't available for purchase in my country. In fact, from a quick search of the local aggregator there isn't a single 4k non-smart TV for sale in the country. I've sort of voted with my wallet here and am just using a large computer monitor for now, but I'm not sure there'll be anything available if I ever want to get some of those sweet OLEDs or some HDR. Another sibling comment also said that recently Miele has started coasting based on their name brand and are no longer producing long-lasting machines, but even if they aren't I won't be able to tell that the next time I find myself in need of a washing machine, which is part of the problem.
- taffer 4y ago
  > they aren't available for purchase in my country As another commter pointed out they are sold as commercial displays and digital signage, but that is a different price range. > Another sibling comment also said that recently Miele has started coasting People have always said that. It's an easy excuse to buy the cheapest stuff they can find, but in reality you'll always find products made for commercial customers. An appliance that lasts a dozen years in a hotel, restaurant or airport will last practically forever in a home.

by taffer 4y ago

TheHappyOddish 4y ago

Everything Sceptre sell appears to be "restock soon" or "out of stock" - is this a real company? Regardless, they don't appear to retail out of the US, so it's hardly a good option for most people.

mhuffman 4y ago

Sceptre certainly keeps that hidden! They need better marketers! For that price point and non-smart, I would have absolutely bought recently. But I have never heard of this brand until today.

JeremyNT 4y ago
I have a Sceptre. Let's just say you get what you pay for. If you're concerned about screen quality, you should probably look elsewhere. I do love how dumb it is, though!

pbronez 4y ago

Thanks for sharing! What’s your evidence for Miele’s durability? Is it just their “pro at home” line, or all of them?

XajniN 4y ago
Pretty much everything from Miele is built to last for decades. But it is expensive.

xupybd 4y ago

Fisher and Paykel also make washing machines that last. https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/laundry/washing-machines/ https://www.fisherpaykel.com/nz/laundry/washing-machines/

dachryn 4y ago

Miele quality has gone really downhill last 10 years. But they do more or less guarantee that you will be able to buy replacement parts for 10 years. (NOT 20!) As long as they don't offer warranty for 10 years or 20 years, I consider the machine to be on a 5-10 year lifecycle, like most appliances today. If their machines really would last that long, they would market the hell out of it !explicitly! and offer you that assurance to get your money. Now they are just cruising by on their reputation they built last millenium The good days are over sadly.

taffer 4y ago
> As long as they don't offer warranty for 10 years or 20 years, I consider the machine to be on a 5-10 year lifecycle, like most appliances today. That's not how it works. If a product on average lasts 20 years, you can't give a 20-year warranty because life expectancy has a highly skewed distribution. If one out of three machines live for 40 years and two out of three machines live for 10 years, that is 20 years on average, yet you will make a loss on 2/3 of the machines. > I consider the machine to be on a 5-10 year lifecycle, like most appliances today. The good days are over sadly. In reality, it's just a rationalization for buying cheap crap: you just assume that all products are equally bad, and then you just buy the cheapest stuff you can find. That's how we ended up where we are now.

Adverblessly 4y ago

I appreciate your comment for trying to be helpful (and too many sibling comments to reply to also), so apologies if I seem dismissive in my response but... I've heard of Sceptre via HN (and as a sibling comment points out, their quality is not great), but they aren't available for purchase in my country. In fact, from a quick search of the local aggregator there isn't a single 4k non-smart TV for sale in the country. I've sort of voted with my wallet here and am just using a large computer monitor for now, but I'm not sure there'll be anything available if I ever want to get some of those sweet OLEDs or some HDR. Another sibling comment also said that recently Miele has started coasting based on their name brand and are no longer producing long-lasting machines, but even if they aren't I won't be able to tell that the next time I find myself in need of a washing machine, which is part of the problem.

taffer 4y ago
> they aren't available for purchase in my country As another commter pointed out they are sold as commercial displays and digital signage, but that is a different price range. > Another sibling comment also said that recently Miele has started coasting People have always said that. It's an easy excuse to buy the cheapest stuff they can find, but in reality you'll always find products made for commercial customers. An appliance that lasts a dozen years in a hotel, restaurant or airport will last practically forever in a home.