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Just in time for wired internet to be obsolete. Especially for apartment buildings, makes much more sense to provide WiFi throughout private and common area tha

Just in time for wired internet to be obsolete. Especially for apartment buildings, makes much more sense to provide WiFi throughout private and common area than running cables to each unit. Even for individual homes, neighborhood 5g cells can do the trick for most people's needs. Also locking in current technology when constructing a building that could last a century is really dumb. Better to have access panels in the walls that allow easily installing and maintaining any type of cables / pipes / etc that may make sense in future.

renewiltord 4y ago
Wired to my PS5 still delivers way faster (800 Mbps vs 300 Mbps) than WiFi even with the device being the one WiFi device on and transmitting in the house and situated under 1 m away. It's the default Comcast modem+router+wifi combo, but I imagine most people are using devices like that.
Eleison23 4y ago
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theandrewbailey 4y ago
Wifi is unreliable and laggy, and forcing everyone in an apartment building to use it for everything is a recipe for disaster. Same for 5g. As for access panels and pipes, the article reads: > Connection costs will be capped at £2,000 per home, and developers must still install gigabit-ready infrastructure (including ducts, chambers, and termination points) and the fastest-available connection if they’re unable to secure a gigabit connection within the cost cap.
toast0 4y ago
High density living is even more reason to run wired connections. The more fixed stations you can get off the air, the better everything else runs. Your TV probably stays in one spot, so streaming player(s) should be wired. If you do anything real time, having lower base latency and nearly zero jitter is pretty nice too. If you want to save costs, it's really not too expensive to add one or two runs of twisted pair per room to a central location, near the demarcation point, and don't bother to mark or terminate the cables. If someone wants to use them, they're there and it cost a couple bucks in cabling and staples and time to put them in the wall during construction, but would cost a lot more to put the wires in later. For a multiple unit building, include a conduit from the unit to a wiring room, in case someone wants to run something better later.
- cat_plus_plus 4y ago
  How does the builder know where I am going to put my one or multiple TVs? Or if I even have a TV - plenty of people went mobile-only for video. Old coax cable came out in the middle of the wall in the room I decided to use for home office, what was I going to do with it there? Finally I just cut it out and drilled a whole through a floor in another room to run Sonic fiber cable and connect a modem and WiFi router inside a cabinet shelf. If I was renting, I would rather just have good WiFi signal int the apartment like I do at work or in the hotel and organize my limited space for my convenience rather than based on where cables run.
  - toast0 4y ago
    A lot of rooms have an obvious layout... You put the TV in the living room on the wall without windows. Or above the fireplace (ugh, but that's where people put them) If you put a tv in a bedroom, it's opposite the bed, and there's often a clear place for a bed --- if the windows are bed width apart, the bed goes there, if they're closer together, the bed goes on a different wall that probably doesn't have the closet and maybe doesn't have the door. You can run multiple cables to a room too, of course. Pick two spots and you'll probably get close enough so one is useful. And put a drop in the ceiling too, in case you want to mount an access point there, like at work or in some hotels. If nobody ever uses those cables, and you didn't terminate them, you're only out $100 on materials and an hour or two of someone's time. Hotel wifi has always been pretty bad for me, not a standard I'd want to aspire to.

renewiltord 4y ago

Wired to my PS5 still delivers way faster (800 Mbps vs 300 Mbps) than WiFi even with the device being the one WiFi device on and transmitting in the house and situated under 1 m away. It's the default Comcast modem+router+wifi combo, but I imagine most people are using devices like that.

Eleison23 4y ago

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theandrewbailey 4y ago

Wifi is unreliable and laggy, and forcing everyone in an apartment building to use it for everything is a recipe for disaster. Same for 5g. As for access panels and pipes, the article reads: > Connection costs will be capped at £2,000 per home, and developers must still install gigabit-ready infrastructure (including ducts, chambers, and termination points) and the fastest-available connection if they’re unable to secure a gigabit connection within the cost cap.

toast0 4y ago

High density living is even more reason to run wired connections. The more fixed stations you can get off the air, the better everything else runs. Your TV probably stays in one spot, so streaming player(s) should be wired. If you do anything real time, having lower base latency and nearly zero jitter is pretty nice too. If you want to save costs, it's really not too expensive to add one or two runs of twisted pair per room to a central location, near the demarcation point, and don't bother to mark or terminate the cables. If someone wants to use them, they're there and it cost a couple bucks in cabling and staples and time to put them in the wall during construction, but would cost a lot more to put the wires in later. For a multiple unit building, include a conduit from the unit to a wiring room, in case someone wants to run something better later.

cat_plus_plus 4y ago
How does the builder know where I am going to put my one or multiple TVs? Or if I even have a TV - plenty of people went mobile-only for video. Old coax cable came out in the middle of the wall in the room I decided to use for home office, what was I going to do with it there? Finally I just cut it out and drilled a whole through a floor in another room to run Sonic fiber cable and connect a modem and WiFi router inside a cabinet shelf. If I was renting, I would rather just have good WiFi signal int the apartment like I do at work or in the hotel and organize my limited space for my convenience rather than based on where cables run.
- toast0 4y ago
  A lot of rooms have an obvious layout... You put the TV in the living room on the wall without windows. Or above the fireplace (ugh, but that's where people put them) If you put a tv in a bedroom, it's opposite the bed, and there's often a clear place for a bed --- if the windows are bed width apart, the bed goes there, if they're closer together, the bed goes on a different wall that probably doesn't have the closet and maybe doesn't have the door. You can run multiple cables to a room too, of course. Pick two spots and you'll probably get close enough so one is useful. And put a drop in the ceiling too, in case you want to mount an access point there, like at work or in some hotels. If nobody ever uses those cables, and you didn't terminate them, you're only out $100 on materials and an hour or two of someone's time. Hotel wifi has always been pretty bad for me, not a standard I'd want to aspire to.