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How i understand is is Gigabit is two parts: the first part is your home, router, etc supporting the connection speeds. The other is the infrastructure to deliv

How i understand is is Gigabit is two parts: the first part is your home, router, etc supporting the connection speeds. The other is the infrastructure to deliver the gigabit to your home. I can see a regulation that mandates that you wire any new residences up so they can support gigabit, but how is this going to work if the municipality / ISP does not offer it? Not sure about what Gigabit rollout in the UK looks like but I know in the US, landlords don't always offer it because the ISP doesn't offer it. Seems that it would put the landlord in a catch-22 where they depend on the ISP to provide a service that they are mandated to provide but cannot because the ISP does not offer it.

ejb999 4y ago
>>I can see a regulation that mandates that you wire any new residences up so they can support gigabit, but how is this going to work if the municipality / ISP does not offer it? If read the article, it says the cap is 2000 pounds, so the developer must do all the make-ready work in the house to support 1G internet, but they only have to actually connect to the fastest option available - and then only if the total cost of that is under the 2000 cap. So it's something, but I suspect many places that are out of luck now, will still be out of luck even with the new rules.
- criddell 4y ago
  The fastest option available might be 5G cellular modem. From a builder’s perspective, it’s probably also the cheapest.
- sidewndr46 4y ago
  What possible steps would a developer take to "make-ready" for 1 gigabit internet? Does the front door need to open and shut faster? Are the toilets going to have 4k flushing? I'm struggling to figure out how a developer could impede internet access if they actually wanted to.
  - komadori 4y ago
    "such as ducts, chambers and termination points"* This sort of thing is much cheaper to put in when you're building the street/house than after the fact. * https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/01/new-uk-laws-boost-gigabit-broadband-into-mdus-and-new-build-homes.html https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/01/new-uk-laws-bo...
    - sidewndr46 4y ago
      But how would they know what to add before service is brought to the residence? Maybe it is different, but even on new construction where I live the way service comes in is very simple: a technician takes a large drill and blindly drills through the outer wall of the house to bring a cable in. At that point the install is complete. In fact, even if you have existing cabling they generally will elect not to use it unless you make a point of requesting it.
      - komadori 4y ago
        Sure, they're probably not going to lay any actual cable, but there's a lot of infrastructure needed to bring the cable from the head-end to the exterior wall of your house and some of that can be laid in advance. Ideally, if you're building a new housing development, you can relatively inexpensively put in: * Ducts to carry the cables under streets and driveways. * Pavement cabinets for junction boxes, distribution equipment, and optical splitters. This becomes much more expensive if you have to dig up the streets later.
        sidewndr46 4y ago
        This seems like it has less to do with homes and more to do with public infrastructure.
        komadori 4y ago
        Some of it will lie within the bounds of individual houses, but, yes, a lot relates to the streets. However, in the UK, aside from smaller infill projects, property developers will construct both the houses and the streets together. The streets will then either remain private roads or be adopted into public ownership by the local authority. So, from the perspective of the property developers these rules address, there is little difference between the two.
AstixAndBelix 4y ago
Simple: let's say your house is fitted with a gigabit connection but the infrastructure sill isn't there. this means that when the infrastructure comes you will have to do zero work on your house. no changing of wires, no breaking the walls, no wasting everyone's time. I don't have a 10Gb/s switch at home, but I still use Cat6 so when I upgrade I won't have to crawl around my house to change everything
weego 4y ago
We don't have region/geo locked or infrastructure locked providers. If you have fibre to your home then any supplier in the UK that supports it can be your ISP. Caveat: fibre is telco infrastructure and is not limited, cable can still be limited ie only virgin media on virgin cable infra
- vidarh 4y ago
  Not quite true. Openreach (BT) is regulated and required to let anyone offer service over their network. Any other provider that lays their own fibre is free to offer only their own ISP service. I don't have access to FTTP via OpenReach, but can get it from one other provider (CommunityFibre). If another fibre provider ever becomes dominant enough they might well also end up regulated more tightly, but that's not the case for the time being
paxys 4y ago
Yeah, this fixes 1% of the problem (wiring up your house) while the other 99% (getting the service till your house) remains unaddressed. Still a good step, but not cause for too much celebration. And as the article notes 9 out of 10 new houses were already adding gigabit wiring even without this law.

ejb999 4y ago

>>I can see a regulation that mandates that you wire any new residences up so they can support gigabit, but how is this going to work if the municipality / ISP does not offer it? If read the article, it says the cap is 2000 pounds, so the developer must do all the make-ready work in the house to support 1G internet, but they only have to actually connect to the fastest option available - and then only if the total cost of that is under the 2000 cap. So it's something, but I suspect many places that are out of luck now, will still be out of luck even with the new rules.

criddell 4y ago
The fastest option available might be 5G cellular modem. From a builder’s perspective, it’s probably also the cheapest.
sidewndr46 4y ago
What possible steps would a developer take to "make-ready" for 1 gigabit internet? Does the front door need to open and shut faster? Are the toilets going to have 4k flushing? I'm struggling to figure out how a developer could impede internet access if they actually wanted to.
- komadori 4y ago
  "such as ducts, chambers and termination points"* This sort of thing is much cheaper to put in when you're building the street/house than after the fact. * https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/01/new-uk-laws-boost-gigabit-broadband-into-mdus-and-new-build-homes.html https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/01/new-uk-laws-bo...
  - sidewndr46 4y ago
    But how would they know what to add before service is brought to the residence? Maybe it is different, but even on new construction where I live the way service comes in is very simple: a technician takes a large drill and blindly drills through the outer wall of the house to bring a cable in. At that point the install is complete. In fact, even if you have existing cabling they generally will elect not to use it unless you make a point of requesting it.
    - komadori 4y ago
      Sure, they're probably not going to lay any actual cable, but there's a lot of infrastructure needed to bring the cable from the head-end to the exterior wall of your house and some of that can be laid in advance. Ideally, if you're building a new housing development, you can relatively inexpensively put in: * Ducts to carry the cables under streets and driveways. * Pavement cabinets for junction boxes, distribution equipment, and optical splitters. This becomes much more expensive if you have to dig up the streets later.
      - sidewndr46 4y ago
        This seems like it has less to do with homes and more to do with public infrastructure.
        komadori 4y ago
        Some of it will lie within the bounds of individual houses, but, yes, a lot relates to the streets. However, in the UK, aside from smaller infill projects, property developers will construct both the houses and the streets together. The streets will then either remain private roads or be adopted into public ownership by the local authority. So, from the perspective of the property developers these rules address, there is little difference between the two.

AstixAndBelix 4y ago

Simple: let's say your house is fitted with a gigabit connection but the infrastructure sill isn't there. this means that when the infrastructure comes you will have to do zero work on your house. no changing of wires, no breaking the walls, no wasting everyone's time. I don't have a 10Gb/s switch at home, but I still use Cat6 so when I upgrade I won't have to crawl around my house to change everything

weego 4y ago

We don't have region/geo locked or infrastructure locked providers. If you have fibre to your home then any supplier in the UK that supports it can be your ISP. Caveat: fibre is telco infrastructure and is not limited, cable can still be limited ie only virgin media on virgin cable infra

vidarh 4y ago
Not quite true. Openreach (BT) is regulated and required to let anyone offer service over their network. Any other provider that lays their own fibre is free to offer only their own ISP service. I don't have access to FTTP via OpenReach, but can get it from one other provider (CommunityFibre). If another fibre provider ever becomes dominant enough they might well also end up regulated more tightly, but that's not the case for the time being

paxys 4y ago

Yeah, this fixes 1% of the problem (wiring up your house) while the other 99% (getting the service till your house) remains unaddressed. Still a good step, but not cause for too much celebration. And as the article notes 9 out of 10 new houses were already adding gigabit wiring even without this law.