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I actually laughed out loud when I clicked the link and it was Keurig. K-cups rank right up there with Dyson imho. Yea, it kind of solves a problem, but mostly

I actually laughed out loud when I clicked the link and it was Keurig. K-cups rank right up there with Dyson imho. Yea, it kind of solves a problem, but mostly it's great marketing. They created a problem people didn't realize they had, drove demand for a solution no one asked for, and charge a premium so you can create more waste per cup. But, it's cheaper then stopping at Starbucks...

selectodude 4y ago
My Dyson vacuum cleaner has been exceptionally good for like a decade now. Keurigs make horrendous coffee and create orders of magnitude more waste. I'm not sure how they're the same.
- kuschku 4y ago
  Dyson takes the cheapest panasonic parts that exists, puts a fancy case around it, and sells it for massive margins. Here's a detailed teardown of a dyson vacuum: https://youtu.be/NPTzNJMd19A https://youtu.be/NPTzNJMd19A Try a Miele next time, that's a genuine high quality vacuum cleaner that will last you a lifetime.
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    Out of curiosity, how are any of these consumer-grade vacuums better than an entry-level shop vac you can get for 30 bucks?
  - criddell 4y ago
    I have a Miele C4 and there’s no way it’s going to last a lifetime. The mechanicals may be metal but everything else is made of plastic that seems to be getting more brittle as time passes. Mine has cracks and has broken in a couple of places and so far I’ve been able to glue it, but I should probably replace the case. Miele doesn’t seem to carry these parts for mine anymore so looking for used parts on eBay is probably my only solution. Rather than take a chance buying somebody else’s cracked case, I’m probably going to replace it. When I do, I’m going to spend less money next time understanding that I’ll have to replace it after 5-10 years.
    - kuschku 4y ago
      How'd that happen? I'm using a Complete C2, in fact, "abusing it" would be a more apt description considering how careless I've treated it at times, and it's still in perfect shape. (I did break one of those telescope tubes though).
  - zeroimpl 4y ago
    While they are probably overpriced, if you buy from Dyson you know you are getting pretty good quality. My prior vacuums were from Shark and Hoover and they sucked in the wrong way. While I probably could have gotten a decent vacuum from one of those well-known generic vacuum companies, going with Dyson assured I'd get something much better than I previously had. If I saw a Miele vacuum on the shelf, I'd have no idea what to expect, given have never heard of the brand before.
    - kuschku 4y ago
      Miele is a well-known up-market household appliances and devices manufacturer from Germany. Generally Miele is considered to last a lifetime, though their first few wifi enabled appliances and devices were horrible.
  - markdoubleyou 4y ago
    Many years ago my father-in-law gave us a commercial vacuum (Windsor Sensor) that's typically used in hotels and hospitals. The thing's built like a tank and is easily serviced. It's a good choice if you don't mind a heavy vacuum, and it's only incrementally more expensive than a Dyson.
    - Tagbert 4y ago
      We looked at what the staff were using a couple of hotels and bought the ORECK XL COMMERCIAL. It is a simple vacuum with bags so it’s easy to clean. No extra features to break. The price was much cheaper than any Dyson vacuum. It’s been dead reliable for over 10 years and seems like it will just keep running.
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musicale 4y ago
> K-cups rank right up there with Dyson imho. Yea, it kind of solves a problem, but mostly it's great marketing This ignores the fact that Dyson invented the modern bagless cyclonic upright vacuum design that was subsequently adopted by the whole industry. Without that improved design, I suspect that Dyson would have had a harder time displacing Hoover in the UK, where "hoovering" was (and is?) a generic term for "vacuuming." (Though I suppose Xerox and Kleenex have been somewhat displaced in the US in spite of their history as generic terms for photocopying and tissues, and Apple discontinued the iPod even though "podcast" had become a generic term. Etc..) (Apple is also frequently criticized as an overpriced, marketing-driven company; in my opinion this ignores Apple's troubles before products such as the iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch transformed their respective categories.) I bought a refurbished Dyson DC07 vacuum years ago that I'm still using; besides its performance I like the way the parts snap together and the associated labeling/diagrams. It is made of plastic though, and I could imagine parts becoming brittle and eventually breaking. Electrolux canister vacuums from the 1930s still work and you can get bags for them, but they lose suction as the bags fill up, and you have to buy bags periodically.

selectodude 4y ago

My Dyson vacuum cleaner has been exceptionally good for like a decade now. Keurigs make horrendous coffee and create orders of magnitude more waste. I'm not sure how they're the same.

kuschku 4y ago
Dyson takes the cheapest panasonic parts that exists, puts a fancy case around it, and sells it for massive margins. Here's a detailed teardown of a dyson vacuum: https://youtu.be/NPTzNJMd19A https://youtu.be/NPTzNJMd19A Try a Miele next time, that's a genuine high quality vacuum cleaner that will last you a lifetime.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  Out of curiosity, how are any of these consumer-grade vacuums better than an entry-level shop vac you can get for 30 bucks?
- criddell 4y ago
  I have a Miele C4 and there’s no way it’s going to last a lifetime. The mechanicals may be metal but everything else is made of plastic that seems to be getting more brittle as time passes. Mine has cracks and has broken in a couple of places and so far I’ve been able to glue it, but I should probably replace the case. Miele doesn’t seem to carry these parts for mine anymore so looking for used parts on eBay is probably my only solution. Rather than take a chance buying somebody else’s cracked case, I’m probably going to replace it. When I do, I’m going to spend less money next time understanding that I’ll have to replace it after 5-10 years.
  - kuschku 4y ago
    How'd that happen? I'm using a Complete C2, in fact, "abusing it" would be a more apt description considering how careless I've treated it at times, and it's still in perfect shape. (I did break one of those telescope tubes though).
- zeroimpl 4y ago
  While they are probably overpriced, if you buy from Dyson you know you are getting pretty good quality. My prior vacuums were from Shark and Hoover and they sucked in the wrong way. While I probably could have gotten a decent vacuum from one of those well-known generic vacuum companies, going with Dyson assured I'd get something much better than I previously had. If I saw a Miele vacuum on the shelf, I'd have no idea what to expect, given have never heard of the brand before.
  - kuschku 4y ago
    Miele is a well-known up-market household appliances and devices manufacturer from Germany. Generally Miele is considered to last a lifetime, though their first few wifi enabled appliances and devices were horrible.
- markdoubleyou 4y ago
  Many years ago my father-in-law gave us a commercial vacuum (Windsor Sensor) that's typically used in hotels and hospitals. The thing's built like a tank and is easily serviced. It's a good choice if you don't mind a heavy vacuum, and it's only incrementally more expensive than a Dyson.
  - Tagbert 4y ago
    We looked at what the staff were using a couple of hotels and bought the ORECK XL COMMERCIAL. It is a simple vacuum with bags so it’s easy to clean. No extra features to break. The price was much cheaper than any Dyson vacuum. It’s been dead reliable for over 10 years and seems like it will just keep running.
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musicale 4y ago

> K-cups rank right up there with Dyson imho. Yea, it kind of solves a problem, but mostly it's great marketing This ignores the fact that Dyson invented the modern bagless cyclonic upright vacuum design that was subsequently adopted by the whole industry. Without that improved design, I suspect that Dyson would have had a harder time displacing Hoover in the UK, where "hoovering" was (and is?) a generic term for "vacuuming." (Though I suppose Xerox and Kleenex have been somewhat displaced in the US in spite of their history as generic terms for photocopying and tissues, and Apple discontinued the iPod even though "podcast" had become a generic term. Etc..) (Apple is also frequently criticized as an overpriced, marketing-driven company; in my opinion this ignores Apple's troubles before products such as the iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch transformed their respective categories.) I bought a refurbished Dyson DC07 vacuum years ago that I'm still using; besides its performance I like the way the parts snap together and the associated labeling/diagrams. It is made of plastic though, and I could imagine parts becoming brittle and eventually breaking. Electrolux canister vacuums from the 1930s still work and you can get bags for them, but they lose suction as the bags fill up, and you have to buy bags periodically.