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>Why this and not some other objective? Why can't they sway the global opinion on Ukraine? Surely they are trying. The Overton window is a thing, right? "Nucle

>Why this and not some other objective? Why can't they sway the global opinion on Ukraine? Surely they are trying. The Overton window is a thing, right? "Nuclear power might be really unsafe" is a much easier sell in the public discourse than "it's OK to invade your peaceful neighbors".

megaman821 4y ago
That is exactly what I mean. There is virtually no public support for invading your peaceful neighbor, and no amount of misinformation is going to fundamentally change that. Support for building nuclear power plants is a contentious issue. Of course Russia wants to nudge the outcome in their favor, but saying Russian misinformation is mostly responsible for the anti-nuclear sentiment is crazy.
- mannerheim 4y ago
  > There is virtually no public support for invading your peaceful neighbor, and no amount of misinformation is going to fundamentally change that. I mean, there is a sizeable minority who have been convinced by Russian propaganda on this; typically they refer to Euromaidan as a coup, blame the invasion on Ukraine for not implementing Minsk, claim Ukraine is banning the Russian language, and so forth. If propaganda can bump this from zero to twenty percent, why not from 40 to 60?
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    These points are literally made on fox news many nights. How much does it cost to get fox news to broadcast your propaganda to 60 million americans versus bribing enough american politicians that have enough sway to actually disrupt things. Russia buying a politician would hopefully be a huge story. Russia buying advertising in the US to push for dis-unity or their abhorrent propaganda about Ukraine being full of nazis or that 1 billion dollars is a lot to pay (in old, out of date, expensive to decommission hardware) to absolutely defang the largest rival we had last century is derogatorily labeled as "Russiagate" and "conspiracy theory" and "liberal brainworms".

megaman821 4y ago

That is exactly what I mean. There is virtually no public support for invading your peaceful neighbor, and no amount of misinformation is going to fundamentally change that. Support for building nuclear power plants is a contentious issue. Of course Russia wants to nudge the outcome in their favor, but saying Russian misinformation is mostly responsible for the anti-nuclear sentiment is crazy.

mannerheim 4y ago
> There is virtually no public support for invading your peaceful neighbor, and no amount of misinformation is going to fundamentally change that. I mean, there is a sizeable minority who have been convinced by Russian propaganda on this; typically they refer to Euromaidan as a coup, blame the invasion on Ukraine for not implementing Minsk, claim Ukraine is banning the Russian language, and so forth. If propaganda can bump this from zero to twenty percent, why not from 40 to 60?
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  These points are literally made on fox news many nights. How much does it cost to get fox news to broadcast your propaganda to 60 million americans versus bribing enough american politicians that have enough sway to actually disrupt things. Russia buying a politician would hopefully be a huge story. Russia buying advertising in the US to push for dis-unity or their abhorrent propaganda about Ukraine being full of nazis or that 1 billion dollars is a lot to pay (in old, out of date, expensive to decommission hardware) to absolutely defang the largest rival we had last century is derogatorily labeled as "Russiagate" and "conspiracy theory" and "liberal brainworms".