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> No, you won't. If the majority of your time isn't spent thinking rather than typing or clicking, you're doing it wrong A lot of my time is spent reading code

by doix 4y ago

> No, you won't. If the majority of your time isn't spent thinking rather than typing or clicking, you're doing it wrong A lot of my time is spent reading code and going back and forth between different places in the codebase. Reducing the time between thinking "what does that function do" and seeing that code makes it easier for me to think When writing/editing code, the same applies. Reducing the time between thinking something and it happening makes it easier for me to keep what I'm trying to achieve in my head. That being said, I have a lot of sympathy for IntelliJ users. Change sucks, especially when it's forced upon you. I know it's not forced yet, but they'll change the default and make it harder and harder to use the old interface. Until the analytics show that the usage is very low and then remove it.

kstenerud 4y ago
> Change sucks, especially when it's forced upon you. Change doesn't suck; it's change for the worse that sucks. Saying "I have sympathy for you, change sucks" is not only patronizing, but also a way to dismiss the whole argument out of hand by implying that the people who complain are being irrational.
- doix 4y ago
  That was not my intention, I genuinely have sincere empathy (I used the wrong word, my bad) for people that are negatively affected by these changes. I know what it's like, I've been bitten by similar things many times in the past and know how annoying it is. > Change doesn't suck; it's change for the worse that sucks. That's clearly subjective though, it's worse for you. For other people it's better. It sucks when you're on the wrong side of a change, that was my point. Personally, the old UI and the new UI don't solve the problems I have with JetBrains IDEs, so I'm fairly indifferent. I should have said that I empathize instead of sympathize though. Words are hard, but I definitely wasn't trying to be patronising.
  - kstenerud 4y ago
    I believe you. But I also believe that this change was made based on a false dichotomy of mouse vs keyboard. By removing most of the mouse-accessible components, they saved a few pixels on the X and Y at best, at the cost of completely alienating all of their mouse users. They could have simply improved their keyboard support while still maintaining the small band of toolbars. It would have been effectively the same result for keyboard folks without the hostile change imposed on mouse folks.

by doix 4y ago

kstenerud 4y ago

> Change sucks, especially when it's forced upon you. Change doesn't suck; it's change for the worse that sucks. Saying "I have sympathy for you, change sucks" is not only patronizing, but also a way to dismiss the whole argument out of hand by implying that the people who complain are being irrational.

doix 4y ago
That was not my intention, I genuinely have sincere empathy (I used the wrong word, my bad) for people that are negatively affected by these changes. I know what it's like, I've been bitten by similar things many times in the past and know how annoying it is. > Change doesn't suck; it's change for the worse that sucks. That's clearly subjective though, it's worse for you. For other people it's better. It sucks when you're on the wrong side of a change, that was my point. Personally, the old UI and the new UI don't solve the problems I have with JetBrains IDEs, so I'm fairly indifferent. I should have said that I empathize instead of sympathize though. Words are hard, but I definitely wasn't trying to be patronising.
- kstenerud 4y ago
  I believe you. But I also believe that this change was made based on a false dichotomy of mouse vs keyboard. By removing most of the mouse-accessible components, they saved a few pixels on the X and Y at best, at the cost of completely alienating all of their mouse users. They could have simply improved their keyboard support while still maintaining the small band of toolbars. It would have been effectively the same result for keyboard folks without the hostile change imposed on mouse folks.