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Read the article fully. The reason for crying was the over expense on private security while the security being handicapped to actually protect property. This i

Read the article fully. The reason for crying was the over expense on private security while the security being handicapped to actually protect property. This isn't some rebuke about crying over stolen goods.

bdcravens 4y ago
The context of where I assume you are making that conclusion from reads differently to me: they are saying they believe their security posture is excessive. > But a year later, Kehoe said Thursday that the company added too much extra security in stores. > “Probably we put in too much, and we might step back a little bit from that,” he said of security staffing. The company has found private security guards to be “largely ineffective” in deterring theft, so instead it’s putting in more police and law enforcement officers.
- blacksmith_tb 4y ago
  Yes, though that's an interesting phrase - how can the company "put in" more police / LE officers? Aren't they assigned patrols or dispatched for specific incidents?
  - bdcravens 4y ago
    Most municipalities allow companies to hire police for overtime hours in addition to their assigned duties.
    - travisjungroth 4y ago
      Which is just crazy to me. You can pay for police! In uniform! I’m in Peru at the moment and for how much more corrupt people in the US act like LATAM is, I’ve never seen a company here pay police to stand somewhere. But every Apple Store in SF I’ve been to has an officer or two in front when they’re open.
      - offlinenative 4y ago
        Consider how opinion might be colored by the LATAM country next door as opposed to one >3000 miles away on a separate continent with a separate culture and society.
        travisjungroth 4y ago
        I’ve lived in Mexico a few years and have also never seen it. I’m not saying Mexico is less corrupt than the the US. It’s certainly more. But it doesn’t seem to be “strictly” more, like a superset of corruption.
        offlinenative 4y ago
        Local businesses even in San Pedro & the nice parts of DF routinely pay uniformed police officers to stand in certain places while on/off duty, that you don’t seen them loitering outside the door during business hours generally means it’s working.
  - runnerup 4y ago
    Police officers are generally available for hire for private security work -- they are still allowed to use their full police authority during this private work. However, they'll cost about $40 to $176/hour (from very low-paid super rural areas to NYC/SF rates, and can depend on the rank of the officer), which is quite prohibitive. The "main issue" driving demand for this very high hourly cost (relative to typical $10-15/hr retail worker and security staff wages) is that liability insurance and corporate legal departments generally won't allow anyone without qualified immunity to restrain or detain anyone suspected/known to be stealing. Therefore hiring police officers who do have qualified immunity and can act in their official capacity "outside of the employment contract". So Walgreens can put in the police officer private contract "do not restrain, detain, or prevent free movement of any individual". Then when a suspected shoplifter is identified, the police officer can say "I quit!"/"I am leaving for 1 hour"/"break the employment contract" to act in their official police capacity to arrest the individual, and if the individual is harmed they can't sue Walgreens because Walgreens was no longer employing the police officer. Also the police officer can't be sued because of qualified immunity. This is currently the most-proffered way for corporations to physically stop lawbreakers on premises before they leave. That said, when I was a bartender we used to apprehend/restrain/detain patrons on a weekly basis in a very leftist college town and never found ourselves in any legal quandary (though we were very Patrick-Swayze-in-Roundhouse about it). http://www.offdutyhouston.com http://www.offdutyhouston.com https://upd.tamu.edu/Pages/Find-the-cost-for-hiring-an-officer.aspx https://upd.tamu.edu/Pages/Find-the-cost-for-hiring-an-offic... https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/special-event-security-bulks-up-sf-police-officers-pay/article_cbd27e7e-54c0-5ac2-bcea-b60233ca84b0.html https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/special-event-security-bulks... Personally I'm super against the concept of public authorities being able to be hired for private protection but it's important to be aware of the reality and the driving forces involved which "make it so".

bdcravens 4y ago

The context of where I assume you are making that conclusion from reads differently to me: they are saying they believe their security posture is excessive. > But a year later, Kehoe said Thursday that the company added too much extra security in stores. > “Probably we put in too much, and we might step back a little bit from that,” he said of security staffing. The company has found private security guards to be “largely ineffective” in deterring theft, so instead it’s putting in more police and law enforcement officers.

blacksmith_tb 4y ago
Yes, though that's an interesting phrase - how can the company "put in" more police / LE officers? Aren't they assigned patrols or dispatched for specific incidents?
- bdcravens 4y ago
  Most municipalities allow companies to hire police for overtime hours in addition to their assigned duties.
  - travisjungroth 4y ago
    Which is just crazy to me. You can pay for police! In uniform! I’m in Peru at the moment and for how much more corrupt people in the US act like LATAM is, I’ve never seen a company here pay police to stand somewhere. But every Apple Store in SF I’ve been to has an officer or two in front when they’re open.
    - offlinenative 4y ago
      Consider how opinion might be colored by the LATAM country next door as opposed to one >3000 miles away on a separate continent with a separate culture and society.
      - travisjungroth 4y ago
        I’ve lived in Mexico a few years and have also never seen it. I’m not saying Mexico is less corrupt than the the US. It’s certainly more. But it doesn’t seem to be “strictly” more, like a superset of corruption.
        offlinenative 4y ago
        Local businesses even in San Pedro & the nice parts of DF routinely pay uniformed police officers to stand in certain places while on/off duty, that you don’t seen them loitering outside the door during business hours generally means it’s working.
- runnerup 4y ago
  Police officers are generally available for hire for private security work -- they are still allowed to use their full police authority during this private work. However, they'll cost about $40 to $176/hour (from very low-paid super rural areas to NYC/SF rates, and can depend on the rank of the officer), which is quite prohibitive. The "main issue" driving demand for this very high hourly cost (relative to typical $10-15/hr retail worker and security staff wages) is that liability insurance and corporate legal departments generally won't allow anyone without qualified immunity to restrain or detain anyone suspected/known to be stealing. Therefore hiring police officers who do have qualified immunity and can act in their official capacity "outside of the employment contract". So Walgreens can put in the police officer private contract "do not restrain, detain, or prevent free movement of any individual". Then when a suspected shoplifter is identified, the police officer can say "I quit!"/"I am leaving for 1 hour"/"break the employment contract" to act in their official police capacity to arrest the individual, and if the individual is harmed they can't sue Walgreens because Walgreens was no longer employing the police officer. Also the police officer can't be sued because of qualified immunity. This is currently the most-proffered way for corporations to physically stop lawbreakers on premises before they leave. That said, when I was a bartender we used to apprehend/restrain/detain patrons on a weekly basis in a very leftist college town and never found ourselves in any legal quandary (though we were very Patrick-Swayze-in-Roundhouse about it). http://www.offdutyhouston.com http://www.offdutyhouston.com https://upd.tamu.edu/Pages/Find-the-cost-for-hiring-an-officer.aspx https://upd.tamu.edu/Pages/Find-the-cost-for-hiring-an-offic... https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/special-event-security-bulks-up-sf-police-officers-pay/article_cbd27e7e-54c0-5ac2-bcea-b60233ca84b0.html https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/special-event-security-bulks... Personally I'm super against the concept of public authorities being able to be hired for private protection but it's important to be aware of the reality and the driving forces involved which "make it so".