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Are you saying those peoples' lives were totally fine, and then when they tried drugs they were ruined? My understanding is that most people whose lives are in

Are you saying those peoples' lives were totally fine, and then when they tried drugs they were ruined? My understanding is that most people whose lives are in ruin and use drugs, use drugs because their lives were already ruined in some way or other.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
> Are you saying those peoples' lives were totally fine, and then when they tried drugs they were ruined? Yes, I am. They weren't ruined immediately, but the addiction quickly ruined them. > My understanding is that most people whose lives are in ruin and use drugs, use drugs because their lives were already ruined in some way or other. I think your understanding is woefully incorrect, almost to fall into the caricature of what "bad drug users" look like. Many people (myself included) like to use drugs because they make you feel good. Just look at, for example, the popularity of pubs in England - do you really think that all alcoholics only became alcoholics after their lives were already shitty?
- _a_a_a_ 4y ago
  Yes, I am. They weren't ruined immediately, but the addiction quickly ruined them. Questionasble. There's a good asrticle in the spectator asbout this I can't find now, am at work. It suggests a very different interpretation.
- _a_a_a_ 4y ago
  Can't quite find it, try this instead, covers the same ground. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doctor-heroin-slashed-crime-addiction-9495143 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doctor-heroin-... > I think your understanding is woefully incorrect, almost to fall into the caricature of what "bad drug users" look like Well, my experience. Used to buy a bottle (700 CC) of spirits and it would last about 2 weeks. Became seriously mentally ill a few years ago, started drinking equivalent of 450 to 500 CC of spirits per evening (~1/2 litre), every evening, for a long time until the cash fortunately ran out. At least I could feel something, anything, when I drank. When I got better the drinking subsided, almost back to my baseline again. QV also soldiers on heroin in the vietnam war, when out of the stress of war they typically just gave it up iirc.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

> Are you saying those peoples' lives were totally fine, and then when they tried drugs they were ruined? Yes, I am. They weren't ruined immediately, but the addiction quickly ruined them. > My understanding is that most people whose lives are in ruin and use drugs, use drugs because their lives were already ruined in some way or other. I think your understanding is woefully incorrect, almost to fall into the caricature of what "bad drug users" look like. Many people (myself included) like to use drugs because they make you feel good. Just look at, for example, the popularity of pubs in England - do you really think that all alcoholics only became alcoholics after their lives were already shitty?

_a_a_a_ 4y ago
Yes, I am. They weren't ruined immediately, but the addiction quickly ruined them. Questionasble. There's a good asrticle in the spectator asbout this I can't find now, am at work. It suggests a very different interpretation.
_a_a_a_ 4y ago
Can't quite find it, try this instead, covers the same ground. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doctor-heroin-slashed-crime-addiction-9495143 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doctor-heroin-... > I think your understanding is woefully incorrect, almost to fall into the caricature of what "bad drug users" look like Well, my experience. Used to buy a bottle (700 CC) of spirits and it would last about 2 weeks. Became seriously mentally ill a few years ago, started drinking equivalent of 450 to 500 CC of spirits per evening (~1/2 litre), every evening, for a long time until the cash fortunately ran out. At least I could feel something, anything, when I drank. When I got better the drinking subsided, almost back to my baseline again. QV also soldiers on heroin in the vietnam war, when out of the stress of war they typically just gave it up iirc.