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It calls out AI / ML specifically. Guess our regression models will have to go back to being "statistics". Shame, it felt so much cooler to call them "Machine

It calls out AI / ML specifically. Guess our regression models will have to go back to being "statistics". Shame, it felt so much cooler to call them "Machine Learning".

ausbah 4y ago
"such as", it's any automated decision making process which includes regression down to a nested tree of if statements
- politician 4y ago
  Just thinking out loud: Do people following a checklist count as an automated decision making process?
  - TeMPOraL 4y ago
    Legally? I imagine if the checklist was specific and precise enough, and if the people following it were prevented from deviating or circumventing it in any way, or otherwise exercise their own agency, then I think you'd have a chance arguing in court that this process is effectively automated.
    - SoftwareMaven 4y ago
      I doubt it. A human should be able to tell whether they are breaking the law or doing something that is dangerous and, thus, stop. If a human moved forward with something they should have known was dangerous or illegal, it would be grounds for negligence or worse.
      - TeMPOraL 4y ago
        > A human should be able to tell whether they are breaking the law or doing something that is dangerous and, thus, stop. Yes, but: - When determining whether or not a process is automated is legally important, it's usually because it is fine (legally) if done by humans - it's doing it automatically, at scale, that is the issues. - White-collar workers generally don't do things that are obviously dangerous. They're crunching numbers and typing data into forms, and their input is usually a small component of any danger materializing. The way I see it, the difference here is whether a human worker is able to override their checklist in cases where the action is neither illegal nor dangerous, but they realize it's obviously wrong or unfair.
  - lo_zamoyski 4y ago
    "Automation" by definition involves the elimination or reduction of human labor, so I don't see how.
  - ausbah 4y ago
    I would say in most cases yea, that's all that decision trees are at the end of the day
p0pcult 4y ago
I got the joke, even if others didn't.

It calls out AI / ML specifically. Guess our regression models will have to go back to being "statistics". Shame, it felt so much cooler to call them "Machine Learning".

ausbah 4y ago

"such as", it's any automated decision making process which includes regression down to a nested tree of if statements

politician 4y ago
Just thinking out loud: Do people following a checklist count as an automated decision making process?
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  Legally? I imagine if the checklist was specific and precise enough, and if the people following it were prevented from deviating or circumventing it in any way, or otherwise exercise their own agency, then I think you'd have a chance arguing in court that this process is effectively automated.
  - SoftwareMaven 4y ago
    I doubt it. A human should be able to tell whether they are breaking the law or doing something that is dangerous and, thus, stop. If a human moved forward with something they should have known was dangerous or illegal, it would be grounds for negligence or worse.
    - TeMPOraL 4y ago
      > A human should be able to tell whether they are breaking the law or doing something that is dangerous and, thus, stop. Yes, but: - When determining whether or not a process is automated is legally important, it's usually because it is fine (legally) if done by humans - it's doing it automatically, at scale, that is the issues. - White-collar workers generally don't do things that are obviously dangerous. They're crunching numbers and typing data into forms, and their input is usually a small component of any danger materializing. The way I see it, the difference here is whether a human worker is able to override their checklist in cases where the action is neither illegal nor dangerous, but they realize it's obviously wrong or unfair.
- lo_zamoyski 4y ago
  "Automation" by definition involves the elimination or reduction of human labor, so I don't see how.
- ausbah 4y ago
  I would say in most cases yea, that's all that decision trees are at the end of the day

p0pcult 4y ago

I got the joke, even if others didn't.