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This: > I was banned from the Go issue tracker without explanation, and was unable to continue discussing the problem with Google. is completely asinine. But

This: > I was banned from the Go issue tracker without explanation, and was unable to continue discussing the problem with Google. is completely asinine. But it's also par for the course when it comes to interacting with Google. When is anyone going to hold them to account for their terrible customer service and community interaction?

Thaxll 4y ago
It's one side of the story. I don't think he was banned for no reasons.
- yxhuvud 4y ago
  Perhaps, but those reasons should still be communicated.
- ComputerGuru 4y ago
  Knowing him, it probably wasn’t nothing. But that also does Dr matter - he runs a hosting service that sees a fair amount of traffic and the onus is on Google as stewards of the golang community and the brilliant minds behind invisibly proxing requests through Google’s servers to continue to figure this issue out. They have his email address.
- ddevault 4y ago
  I would share their side as well, but I never heard it. This is a violation of their own code of conduct, which requires them to notify the affected person, explain why, and offer the opportunity to mediate the situation. This is not the first time I was banned from the Go community without notice or explanation, and the first time turned out to be frivolous -- the ban was overturned months later with an admission that it was never justified in the first place. Community management in Go strikes me as very insular and unprofessional. Regardless, I don't really want to re-litigate it here. The main issue is that Google has been DoS'ing SourceHut's servers for two years, and I think we can all agree that there is no conduct violation for which DoS'ing your servers is a valid recourse.
  - numbsafari 4y ago
    Do you have a legal claim against Google for abusing your systems?
  - Fnoord 4y ago
    DoSing SourceHut? And the perpetrator is known? Why don't you try to sue them?
    - alpaca128 4y ago
      Ask Max Schrems how easy it is to sue tech giants.
    - tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
      Because blocking is a lot easier and cheaper?
      - Fnoord 4y ago
        Could try and do both? Drew lives in The Netherlands nowadays. I don't know where Sourcehut is based legally, and I realize the Dutch court system is also overburdened & expensive but it might be worth a shot. I wonder if Drew considered it, and if he'd been able to use the Dutch court system. If Drew needs a good Dutch lawyer, I can recommend Arnoud Engelfriet of ICTRecht (has a blog on Iusmentis.com, legal advice is free if he's allowed to publicize it).
    - kwhitefoot 4y ago
      Are you a lawyer offering your services pro bono?
      - Fnoord 4y ago
        If he's able to sue in Dutch court I can recommend a good lawyer, see my other reply.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  The other side: https://github.com/golang/go/issues?q=is%3Aissue+sort%3Aupdated-desc+ddevault https://github.com/golang/go/issues?q=is%3Aissue+sort%3Aupda... Spoiler: Nothing. edit: Possibly not as much nothing, see the replies to [0]. But the GH search kinda sucks for this. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34311799 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34311799
- mekoka 4y ago
  https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/25/Google-has-been-DDoSing-sourcehut.html https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/25/Google-has-been-DDoSing-s... > I was banned from the Go issue tracker for mysterious reasons [ In violation of Go’s own Code of Conduct, by the way, which requires that participants are notified moderator actions against them and given the opportunity to appeal. I happen to be well versed in Go’s CoC given that I was banned once before without notice — a ban which was later overturned on the grounds that the moderator was wrong in the first place. Great community, guys. ] When a story has two sides and one party chooses to keep silent when accused, I tend to favor the accuser.

Thaxll 4y ago

It's one side of the story. I don't think he was banned for no reasons.

yxhuvud 4y ago
Perhaps, but those reasons should still be communicated.
ComputerGuru 4y ago
Knowing him, it probably wasn’t nothing. But that also does Dr matter - he runs a hosting service that sees a fair amount of traffic and the onus is on Google as stewards of the golang community and the brilliant minds behind invisibly proxing requests through Google’s servers to continue to figure this issue out. They have his email address.
ddevault 4y ago
I would share their side as well, but I never heard it. This is a violation of their own code of conduct, which requires them to notify the affected person, explain why, and offer the opportunity to mediate the situation. This is not the first time I was banned from the Go community without notice or explanation, and the first time turned out to be frivolous -- the ban was overturned months later with an admission that it was never justified in the first place. Community management in Go strikes me as very insular and unprofessional. Regardless, I don't really want to re-litigate it here. The main issue is that Google has been DoS'ing SourceHut's servers for two years, and I think we can all agree that there is no conduct violation for which DoS'ing your servers is a valid recourse.
- numbsafari 4y ago
  Do you have a legal claim against Google for abusing your systems?
- Fnoord 4y ago
  DoSing SourceHut? And the perpetrator is known? Why don't you try to sue them?
  - alpaca128 4y ago
    Ask Max Schrems how easy it is to sue tech giants.
  - tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
    Because blocking is a lot easier and cheaper?
    - Fnoord 4y ago
      Could try and do both? Drew lives in The Netherlands nowadays. I don't know where Sourcehut is based legally, and I realize the Dutch court system is also overburdened & expensive but it might be worth a shot. I wonder if Drew considered it, and if he'd been able to use the Dutch court system. If Drew needs a good Dutch lawyer, I can recommend Arnoud Engelfriet of ICTRecht (has a blog on Iusmentis.com, legal advice is free if he's allowed to publicize it).
  - kwhitefoot 4y ago
    Are you a lawyer offering your services pro bono?
    - Fnoord 4y ago
      If he's able to sue in Dutch court I can recommend a good lawyer, see my other reply.
Semaphor 4y ago
The other side: https://github.com/golang/go/issues?q=is%3Aissue+sort%3Aupdated-desc+ddevault https://github.com/golang/go/issues?q=is%3Aissue+sort%3Aupda... Spoiler: Nothing. edit: Possibly not as much nothing, see the replies to [0]. But the GH search kinda sucks for this. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34311799 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34311799
mekoka 4y ago
https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/25/Google-has-been-DDoSing-sourcehut.html https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/25/Google-has-been-DDoSing-s... > I was banned from the Go issue tracker for mysterious reasons [ In violation of Go’s own Code of Conduct, by the way, which requires that participants are notified moderator actions against them and given the opportunity to appeal. I happen to be well versed in Go’s CoC given that I was banned once before without notice — a ban which was later overturned on the grounds that the moderator was wrong in the first place. Great community, guys. ] When a story has two sides and one party chooses to keep silent when accused, I tend to favor the accuser.