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As of late I keep hearing/reading/seeing that the original author of Terminator and the Matrix is Sophia Stewart. It seems even the FBI ruled in her favor, yet

As of late I keep hearing/reading/seeing that the original author of Terminator and the Matrix is Sophia Stewart. It seems even the FBI ruled in her favor, yet both wikipedia pages have not mentioned her at all. Is this a case of really good fake news, as of late, or Wikipedia simply hasn't caught up?

formerly_proven 4y ago
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/05/instagram-posts/no-woman-didnt-win-25-billion-matrix-lawsuit-over-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/05/instagram-...
jrm4 4y ago
Yeah, her deal strongly sounds like "coincidental invention" type stuff. Especially for me with The Matrix. As a Matrix fanatic I could point you to dozens of works for which you could make this sort of argument.
- bnralt 4y ago
  There were even two other "people stuck inside simulated reality" SciFi films released within two months of The Matrix (Existenz and The Thirteenth Floor).
slowmovintarget 4y ago
I don't know which FBI you're speaking of, but the Federal Bureau of Investigation doesn't rule (adjudicate) on anything. The courts threw her case out. No, she didn't invent those.
agumonkey 4y ago
Terminator is already listed as having copywright issues with another author though.
- slater- 4y ago
  what do you mean by this?
  - drivers99 4y ago
    Harlan Ellison got a settlement when he said that Terminator was based on his story from The Outer Limits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(The_Outer_Limits)#The_Terminator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(The_Outer_Limits)#The...
    - CamperBob2 4y ago
      Which, if you've seen that episode, is about like saying The Wizard of Oz ripped off Alice in Wonderland... but Harlan's gotta be Harlan.
  - xsmasher 4y ago
    https://electricliterature.com/was-1984s-the-terminator-a-harlan-ellison-rip-off/ https://electricliterature.com/was-1984s-the-terminator-a-ha...
scandox 4y ago
The plot is a very close take on Solider by Harlan Ellison: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(The_Outer_Limits) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(The_Outer_Limits) I don't think they needed to steal it from anyone else :)
- tgv 4y ago
  Not close enough, IMO, after reading the wikipedia page. It says more about US legal practices than about the stories.
  - HideousKojima 4y ago
    Ellison really only won his case because James Cameron had made some careless comments about cribbing some ideas from Ellison's works.
  - CamperBob2 4y ago
    Says more about Harlan Ellison than about either.
- thomashabets2 4y ago
  Ellison's claims are BS. He says it stole from Soldier and Man with a glass hand, but anyone who's seen those can see that it's not even remotely close. You don't own "time travel", man.

formerly_proven 4y ago

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/05/instagram-posts/no-woman-didnt-win-25-billion-matrix-lawsuit-over-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/05/instagram-...

jrm4 4y ago

Yeah, her deal strongly sounds like "coincidental invention" type stuff. Especially for me with The Matrix. As a Matrix fanatic I could point you to dozens of works for which you could make this sort of argument.

bnralt 4y ago
There were even two other "people stuck inside simulated reality" SciFi films released within two months of The Matrix (Existenz and The Thirteenth Floor).

slowmovintarget 4y ago

I don't know which FBI you're speaking of, but the Federal Bureau of Investigation doesn't rule (adjudicate) on anything. The courts threw her case out. No, she didn't invent those.

agumonkey 4y ago

Terminator is already listed as having copywright issues with another author though.

slater- 4y ago
what do you mean by this?
- drivers99 4y ago
  Harlan Ellison got a settlement when he said that Terminator was based on his story from The Outer Limits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(The_Outer_Limits)#The_Terminator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(The_Outer_Limits)#The...
  - CamperBob2 4y ago
    Which, if you've seen that episode, is about like saying The Wizard of Oz ripped off Alice in Wonderland... but Harlan's gotta be Harlan.
- xsmasher 4y ago
  https://electricliterature.com/was-1984s-the-terminator-a-harlan-ellison-rip-off/ https://electricliterature.com/was-1984s-the-terminator-a-ha...

scandox 4y ago

The plot is a very close take on Solider by Harlan Ellison: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(The_Outer_Limits) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(The_Outer_Limits) I don't think they needed to steal it from anyone else :)

tgv 4y ago
Not close enough, IMO, after reading the wikipedia page. It says more about US legal practices than about the stories.
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  Ellison really only won his case because James Cameron had made some careless comments about cribbing some ideas from Ellison's works.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  Says more about Harlan Ellison than about either.
thomashabets2 4y ago
Ellison's claims are BS. He says it stole from Soldier and Man with a glass hand, but anyone who's seen those can see that it's not even remotely close. You don't own "time travel", man.