Exactly. If I'm listening to a podcast on a specific subject matter, I want discussion of that subject matter. I don't want 30 minutes of irrelevant back-and-fo

Exactly. If I'm listening to a podcast on a specific subject matter, I want discussion of that subject matter. I don't want 30 minutes of irrelevant back-and-forth about personal issues by the hosts before they get to the relevant stuff (or, even worse, tons of filler interspersed with the relevant content).