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… except for the fact that the T2 trailer gave away the big reveal within the first 30 seconds. Cameron must have been apoplectic.

HideousKojima 4y ago
Also The T-1000 murders people prior to the reveal, while Arnold doesn't.
- adenozine 4y ago
  Wait, Arnold shot the guy in the gun shop? I haven't seen the movie in ten years, but I think that's prior to the shootout at the police station?
  - everdrive 4y ago
    In Terminator 1, yes. He loads up on guns at the shop and Muir sees the owners there. That is the firepower he uses to take out the police station.
    - AtlasBarfed 4y ago
      I loved that scene. Uzis, full auto assault rifles, laser sight pistols, phased plasma 40kilowatt rifles (not in stock apparently), "good for home defense" line. Such a good scene, and captures a window into the terror and deadly force we add to our own society, just a corner gunshop visit away.
  - HideousKojima 4y ago
    I'm talking about in T2, Arnold doesn't kill anyone in the entire movie. In T1 he kills several people while Kyle Reese doesn't kill anyone, even when he has the opportunity.
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- MontyCarloHall 4y ago
  True, though prior to the reveal, Arnold does stab one of the bikers and proceed to throw him onto a hot kitchen griddle.
  - hackeraccount 4y ago
    He'll live.
  - devonkim 4y ago
    He was attacked with a knife and was even stabbed, and I believe the response was non-fatal in all cases. We don't understand yet why the Terminator isn't killing everyone like in the first Terminator movie at this point until later on, but at the same time most people don't realize the Terminator isn't killing indiscriminately either due to how effortlessly its enemies are subdued. Sorta maybe like how Batman beating up people makes some forget that he doesn't shoot / kill enemies.
    - TeMPOraL 4y ago
      > Sorta maybe like how Batman beating up people makes some forget that he doesn't shoot / kill enemies. Kinda reminds me of my top-3 favorite TV shows ever, Person of Interest. The protagonist there had a habit of knee-capping the criminals instead of shooting to kill, which seems like the more humane alternative, but the more I think about it, the less I'm sure.
- ridgered4 4y ago
  This may have been changed from the original cut but I recall it being intentionally unclear that the T-1000 killed the first cop. They made it look like he just passed out from a gut punch, which of course makes little sense.
- antod 4y ago
  Even if Arnie had killed anyone prior to the reveal, it would've still been consistent. He didn't have any orders not to do that until later, and the way he took them onboard it seemed clear that the orders were a change to his tactics. Although, seeing who sent him back, it's probably strange they weren't his original orders anyway. I always found the Terminator movies full of that kind of circular weirdness. Anyway for the T2 twist, I always just assumed that when T1 was shot, Arnie was kinda unknown, but by T2 he was a pretty big Hollywood action star and couldn't be the bad guy anymore. So they had to wrangle him being the good guy into a sequel if they wanted him back.
sillyquiet 4y ago
See also the trailers for "Predator". Movie is still fantastic, but plays out so much better if you don't know the nature of the predator.
- the_af 4y ago
  I watched Predator when I was very young, on VHS, without having watched any trailers, and I still remember how amazed I felt. What was this monster? How was Arnie going to win, the creature was unbeatable and was everywhere! A couple of other movies -- again, no trailers -- which made me feel this way were "Aliens" (they are everywhere!) and "Die Hard" (how is this cop going to beat all these bad guys?). I don't really feel that way anymore with scifi or action movies, and of course much of it has to do with growing up. But I wonder if teenagers feel that way about the current crop of scifi/action movies, do they feel the thrill, do they feel "the good guys can't possibly win", or is this forever lost in modern cinema, what with all the rushed pacing, spoilers and trailers?
  - AtlasBarfed 4y ago
    Superhero films kindof kill the tension. Superheros always win, and the suspension of disbelief is heavily established for the superpowers. The tension of a possible failure by the heroes is lost.
    - TeMPOraL 4y ago
      Helps if one isn't too familiar with the source material. With my Marvel experience prior to MCU limited to a bunch of animated shows I watched as a kid, I left the cinema furious after watching Captain America: Civil War - I was pissed at them showcasing and then destroying S.H.I.E.L.D., the one thing I actually found most interesting in the whole setting. It was a moment of genuine, deep surprise, as I had no idea how they planned to recover from losing - what I believed to be - a critical piece of the setting. Couple more MCU movies and now I know better how this genre works :).
- Karellen 4y ago
  Also you should skip the opening shot (added at the request of the studio) of a spaceship heading down to Earth. Because apparently audiences are considered too dumb to put 2 + 2 together. FFS
yread 4y ago
One more reason never to watch any trailers
- jjbinx007 4y ago
  I now NEVER watch any trailers at all. I watched Terminator Genisys and while it wasn't a brilliant movie I did gasp a little at the reveal part way through the movie. I asked my brother what his reaction was and he said he already knew going in as the trailer had revealed it. I don't get the point of trailers any more. Most of them just show you the whole movie in 2 minutes. Saying that, probably the best trailer of recent times was for one of the Godzilla films, which actually gave away very little and just gave you enough of a vibe to make you want to watch it.
  - toast0 4y ago
    Yeah, the Genisys trailer was pretty bad. The twist was pretty predictable, but I rember watching the trailer and thinking oh, [the reveal], and then they showed the reveal and I was like ... well, I guess I don't need to watch that. Although, I didn't remember that that was inline with the franchise trailer history. I think the most deceptive trailer ever was for The Fountain. You see the trailer and think oh, here's some cool stuff, but it's kind of disjointed, but it's a trailer; but then you watch the movie and it's just as disjointed.
    - TeMPOraL 4y ago
      I took my then-girlfriend to cinema for Prometheus, convinced by the "TED 2023" trailer that it's going to be a nice transhumanist sci-fi. I didn't lose the girfriend that day, but I did lose my sci-fi cred - the name of the speaker in that trailer, Peter Weyland, should have rung a bell. (For those who, like me then, don't know the reference - that's Weyland as in Weyland-Yutani, the evil megacorp that sent the ill-fated crew of the Nostromo to their deaths in the movie Alien. Yes, Prometheus turned out to be an Alien prequel.)
- t-writescode 4y ago
  About 15 years ago, my family watched a movie without seeing the trailers. Then, we happened to see the trailers, and the trailer revealed *the* major plot twist in the movie (it was a thriller). We all loudly agreed that we were grateful we didn't see the trailer. As a result, for any movie that I really care about watching, I now actively avoid almost all trailers. YouTube and TikTok make avoiding spoilers quite difficult, though. Thankfully, some movies have started to recognize the importance of hiding details, and don't reveal everything in the trailers anymore. Specific examples include Marvel changing the contents of the scenes to hide important details, like which Infinity Stones Thanos had at a given point.
david422 4y ago
Uggh, yea, trailers in general include a scene from every part of the movie. Why???
- ghaff 4y ago
  Presumably it's because it works to get more people to the movie a lot of the time. Especially for action films, there's a lot of temptation to put the "best" action sequences in the trailer.
robg 4y ago
I thought the same, but he actually supported it as a way to drive the marketing. I believed our potential audience would be more attracted to seeing how the most badass killing machine could become a hero than they would be to just another kill-fest in the same vein as the first film. Sequels have to strike a delicate balance between honoring the most loved elements from the first film but also promising to really shake things up and turn them upside down. Our marketing campaign was exactly that promise, and it worked. https://www.slashfilm.com/1118938/why-james-cameron-spoiled-terminator-2s-twist-in-the-trailer/ https://www.slashfilm.com/1118938/why-james-cameron-spoiled-...
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iso1631 4y ago
If I remember the same thing happened with Terminator Genisys Watched a TV show last night which left the "Special Guest Star" to the start of the end credits, so you weren't spoiled at the start with his name. The streaming platform stuck his picture on the picture for the episode rendering that protection moot.
Marazan 4y ago
I would love, love to have seen T2 unspoiled. The crafting of the first act is masterful if you don't know the twist. Such as shame that was impossible.
a3w 4y ago
Most trailers give away 90 % of the plot. Therefore, I do not watch trailers.

HideousKojima 4y ago

Also The T-1000 murders people prior to the reveal, while Arnold doesn't.

adenozine 4y ago
Wait, Arnold shot the guy in the gun shop? I haven't seen the movie in ten years, but I think that's prior to the shootout at the police station?
- everdrive 4y ago
  In Terminator 1, yes. He loads up on guns at the shop and Muir sees the owners there. That is the firepower he uses to take out the police station.
  - AtlasBarfed 4y ago
    I loved that scene. Uzis, full auto assault rifles, laser sight pistols, phased plasma 40kilowatt rifles (not in stock apparently), "good for home defense" line. Such a good scene, and captures a window into the terror and deadly force we add to our own society, just a corner gunshop visit away.
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  I'm talking about in T2, Arnold doesn't kill anyone in the entire movie. In T1 he kills several people while Kyle Reese doesn't kill anyone, even when he has the opportunity.
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MontyCarloHall 4y ago
True, though prior to the reveal, Arnold does stab one of the bikers and proceed to throw him onto a hot kitchen griddle.
- hackeraccount 4y ago
  He'll live.
- devonkim 4y ago
  He was attacked with a knife and was even stabbed, and I believe the response was non-fatal in all cases. We don't understand yet why the Terminator isn't killing everyone like in the first Terminator movie at this point until later on, but at the same time most people don't realize the Terminator isn't killing indiscriminately either due to how effortlessly its enemies are subdued. Sorta maybe like how Batman beating up people makes some forget that he doesn't shoot / kill enemies.
  - TeMPOraL 4y ago
    > Sorta maybe like how Batman beating up people makes some forget that he doesn't shoot / kill enemies. Kinda reminds me of my top-3 favorite TV shows ever, Person of Interest. The protagonist there had a habit of knee-capping the criminals instead of shooting to kill, which seems like the more humane alternative, but the more I think about it, the less I'm sure.
ridgered4 4y ago
This may have been changed from the original cut but I recall it being intentionally unclear that the T-1000 killed the first cop. They made it look like he just passed out from a gut punch, which of course makes little sense.
antod 4y ago
Even if Arnie had killed anyone prior to the reveal, it would've still been consistent. He didn't have any orders not to do that until later, and the way he took them onboard it seemed clear that the orders were a change to his tactics. Although, seeing who sent him back, it's probably strange they weren't his original orders anyway. I always found the Terminator movies full of that kind of circular weirdness. Anyway for the T2 twist, I always just assumed that when T1 was shot, Arnie was kinda unknown, but by T2 he was a pretty big Hollywood action star and couldn't be the bad guy anymore. So they had to wrangle him being the good guy into a sequel if they wanted him back.

sillyquiet 4y ago

See also the trailers for "Predator". Movie is still fantastic, but plays out so much better if you don't know the nature of the predator.

the_af 4y ago
I watched Predator when I was very young, on VHS, without having watched any trailers, and I still remember how amazed I felt. What was this monster? How was Arnie going to win, the creature was unbeatable and was everywhere! A couple of other movies -- again, no trailers -- which made me feel this way were "Aliens" (they are everywhere!) and "Die Hard" (how is this cop going to beat all these bad guys?). I don't really feel that way anymore with scifi or action movies, and of course much of it has to do with growing up. But I wonder if teenagers feel that way about the current crop of scifi/action movies, do they feel the thrill, do they feel "the good guys can't possibly win", or is this forever lost in modern cinema, what with all the rushed pacing, spoilers and trailers?
- AtlasBarfed 4y ago
  Superhero films kindof kill the tension. Superheros always win, and the suspension of disbelief is heavily established for the superpowers. The tension of a possible failure by the heroes is lost.
  - TeMPOraL 4y ago
    Helps if one isn't too familiar with the source material. With my Marvel experience prior to MCU limited to a bunch of animated shows I watched as a kid, I left the cinema furious after watching Captain America: Civil War - I was pissed at them showcasing and then destroying S.H.I.E.L.D., the one thing I actually found most interesting in the whole setting. It was a moment of genuine, deep surprise, as I had no idea how they planned to recover from losing - what I believed to be - a critical piece of the setting. Couple more MCU movies and now I know better how this genre works :).
Karellen 4y ago
Also you should skip the opening shot (added at the request of the studio) of a spaceship heading down to Earth. Because apparently audiences are considered too dumb to put 2 + 2 together. FFS

yread 4y ago

One more reason never to watch any trailers

jjbinx007 4y ago
I now NEVER watch any trailers at all. I watched Terminator Genisys and while it wasn't a brilliant movie I did gasp a little at the reveal part way through the movie. I asked my brother what his reaction was and he said he already knew going in as the trailer had revealed it. I don't get the point of trailers any more. Most of them just show you the whole movie in 2 minutes. Saying that, probably the best trailer of recent times was for one of the Godzilla films, which actually gave away very little and just gave you enough of a vibe to make you want to watch it.
- toast0 4y ago
  Yeah, the Genisys trailer was pretty bad. The twist was pretty predictable, but I rember watching the trailer and thinking oh, [the reveal], and then they showed the reveal and I was like ... well, I guess I don't need to watch that. Although, I didn't remember that that was inline with the franchise trailer history. I think the most deceptive trailer ever was for The Fountain. You see the trailer and think oh, here's some cool stuff, but it's kind of disjointed, but it's a trailer; but then you watch the movie and it's just as disjointed.
  - TeMPOraL 4y ago
    I took my then-girlfriend to cinema for Prometheus, convinced by the "TED 2023" trailer that it's going to be a nice transhumanist sci-fi. I didn't lose the girfriend that day, but I did lose my sci-fi cred - the name of the speaker in that trailer, Peter Weyland, should have rung a bell. (For those who, like me then, don't know the reference - that's Weyland as in Weyland-Yutani, the evil megacorp that sent the ill-fated crew of the Nostromo to their deaths in the movie Alien. Yes, Prometheus turned out to be an Alien prequel.)
t-writescode 4y ago
About 15 years ago, my family watched a movie without seeing the trailers. Then, we happened to see the trailers, and the trailer revealed *the* major plot twist in the movie (it was a thriller). We all loudly agreed that we were grateful we didn't see the trailer. As a result, for any movie that I really care about watching, I now actively avoid almost all trailers. YouTube and TikTok make avoiding spoilers quite difficult, though. Thankfully, some movies have started to recognize the importance of hiding details, and don't reveal everything in the trailers anymore. Specific examples include Marvel changing the contents of the scenes to hide important details, like which Infinity Stones Thanos had at a given point.

david422 4y ago

Uggh, yea, trailers in general include a scene from every part of the movie. Why???

ghaff 4y ago
Presumably it's because it works to get more people to the movie a lot of the time. Especially for action films, there's a lot of temptation to put the "best" action sequences in the trailer.

robg 4y ago

I thought the same, but he actually supported it as a way to drive the marketing. I believed our potential audience would be more attracted to seeing how the most badass killing machine could become a hero than they would be to just another kill-fest in the same vein as the first film. Sequels have to strike a delicate balance between honoring the most loved elements from the first film but also promising to really shake things up and turn them upside down. Our marketing campaign was exactly that promise, and it worked. https://www.slashfilm.com/1118938/why-james-cameron-spoiled-terminator-2s-twist-in-the-trailer/ https://www.slashfilm.com/1118938/why-james-cameron-spoiled-...

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iso1631 4y ago

If I remember the same thing happened with Terminator Genisys Watched a TV show last night which left the "Special Guest Star" to the start of the end credits, so you weren't spoiled at the start with his name. The streaming platform stuck his picture on the picture for the episode rendering that protection moot.

Marazan 4y ago

I would love, love to have seen T2 unspoiled. The crafting of the first act is masterful if you don't know the twist. Such as shame that was impossible.

a3w 4y ago

Most trailers give away 90 % of the plot. Therefore, I do not watch trailers.