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The Democrats have to bring race-based politics and IdPol in to everything. But I think the bigger issue is whether current users even want to make the switch,

The Democrats have to bring race-based politics and IdPol in to everything. But I think the bigger issue is whether current users even want to make the switch, since gas is often cheaper than electricity. This slowed down adoption of induction cookers a lot in the UK for example.

Spivak 4y ago
You have it backwards. The Dems aren’t bringing race into it, they’re framing the issue in a way more likely to garner support from their fellow Democrats and base who care about helping marginalized communities. You see this a lot with Supreme Court cases where the legal teams form their arguments specially to be persuasive to a specific swing judge.
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- willcipriano 4y ago
  What's the term for someone who is motivated by putting things into a racial context? A racist?
  - Spivak 4y ago
    It's like you tried to find the worst faith interpretation of what I said. A: You have a group of people who, broadly speaking, are motivated to address systemic racial and economic inequality. B: You will have better luck getting someone on-board with your piece of legislation if you frame it in the context of an issue they care about. A + B: Hello senator, this bill I'm proposing about gas ranges will help address systemic racial and economic inequality because... The idea that you think A is talking about a group of racists is quite literally insane.
    - willcipriano 4y ago
      "People are being harmed!" "Yawn, what color are they?" "White." "Oh that's a serious issue then!"
derekp7 4y ago
I grew up cooking on gas stove. The house I'm in now came with an ancient coil electric range (1979 harvest gold color model). I can't wait to redo the kitchen to put back in a gas stove again. I also looked into induction, but only my cast iron skillet would work -- the stainless steel cookware I have apparently is the non-magnetic type (a magnet doesn't stick to them) so they won't work with induction.
- nivenkos 4y ago
  Induction is great though, just replace the old stuff. It's very fast and so much easier to clean. I wouldn't want to go back to gas really.
  - Steltek 4y ago
    > Induction is great though, just replace the old stuff. Not all "old stuff" has an induction compatible replacement. Induction does not work for everyone, even if you're willing to replace all of your pans.
  - slowmovintarget 4y ago
    "Just replace the old stuff" doesn't work very well when all the manufacturers have outsourced to China, which produces unsafe cookware. Eliminating all non-stick cookware to avoid forever chemicals was hard enough. I'll keep my gas range with real vent hood, thank you.
    - xxpor 4y ago
      All Clad is made in the US: https://www.all-clad.com/d3-stainless-7-piece-cookware-set.html https://www.all-clad.com/d3-stainless-7-piece-cookware-set.h...
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Spivak 4y ago

You have it backwards. The Dems aren’t bringing race into it, they’re framing the issue in a way more likely to garner support from their fellow Democrats and base who care about helping marginalized communities. You see this a lot with Supreme Court cases where the legal teams form their arguments specially to be persuasive to a specific swing judge.

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willcipriano 4y ago
What's the term for someone who is motivated by putting things into a racial context? A racist?
- Spivak 4y ago
  It's like you tried to find the worst faith interpretation of what I said. A: You have a group of people who, broadly speaking, are motivated to address systemic racial and economic inequality. B: You will have better luck getting someone on-board with your piece of legislation if you frame it in the context of an issue they care about. A + B: Hello senator, this bill I'm proposing about gas ranges will help address systemic racial and economic inequality because... The idea that you think A is talking about a group of racists is quite literally insane.
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    "People are being harmed!" "Yawn, what color are they?" "White." "Oh that's a serious issue then!"

derekp7 4y ago

I grew up cooking on gas stove. The house I'm in now came with an ancient coil electric range (1979 harvest gold color model). I can't wait to redo the kitchen to put back in a gas stove again. I also looked into induction, but only my cast iron skillet would work -- the stainless steel cookware I have apparently is the non-magnetic type (a magnet doesn't stick to them) so they won't work with induction.

nivenkos 4y ago
Induction is great though, just replace the old stuff. It's very fast and so much easier to clean. I wouldn't want to go back to gas really.
- Steltek 4y ago
  > Induction is great though, just replace the old stuff. Not all "old stuff" has an induction compatible replacement. Induction does not work for everyone, even if you're willing to replace all of your pans.
- slowmovintarget 4y ago
  "Just replace the old stuff" doesn't work very well when all the manufacturers have outsourced to China, which produces unsafe cookware. Eliminating all non-stick cookware to avoid forever chemicals was hard enough. I'll keep my gas range with real vent hood, thank you.
  - xxpor 4y ago
    All Clad is made in the US: https://www.all-clad.com/d3-stainless-7-piece-cookware-set.html https://www.all-clad.com/d3-stainless-7-piece-cookware-set.h...
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