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An interesting level of this scene is that it implies neither terminator is able to identify a fabricated voice even though they have a full understanding of ea

An interesting level of this scene is that it implies neither terminator is able to identify a fabricated voice even though they have a full understanding of each other's design. The T-1000 cannot tell it is talking to a T-800 until it realized it has been tricked and the T-800 cannot tell it is talking to a T-1000 until it tricks the other machine. Of course, it happens over a pay phone so perhaps with the full vocal range in person it would have been different.

actionfromafar 4y ago
That movie holds up so incredibly well.
- marpstar 4y ago
  Best action movie of all time. Always has been.
  - stinos 4y ago
    I'd never use extremes like 'best' or 'worst' to describe any type of creative piece, but I have to say having recently watched the first 2 movies again for the first time in like 20 years: yeah there is something about these movies (and some others from that era) which I'm really missing in releases of the past decade. Only problem being: I don't know if it's merely some nostaligic bias or if they are really just better overall.
    - 1over137 4y ago
      They were better. Creators experimented. Now, it's all about profit maximization and it's better to repeat known formulas: sequels, reboots, etc.
    - wseymour 4y ago
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    - toivo 4y ago
      Your experience is subjective and unique to you and so is for everyone else. That's why there's no point to use some objective metric to rate entertainment anyways. I don't generally like modern movies or TV as well, and I feel some what entitled to that opinion.
    - flippinburgers 4y ago
      Count me in in saying that there is something about these older movies that eclipses almost all "entertainment" these days. It is mostly the storytelling ranging from "the message" to the dialogue. None of it resonates with me.
      - iamacyborg 4y ago
        How do you feel about more modern movies like Sicario? That one has both a very strong message, fantastic dialogue and beautiful camera work, IMO.
        jonhohle 4y ago
        That’s true of many Denis Villeneuve movies, though. There are always going to be directors that produce quality, regardless of current trends, however, these are the exception (and unfortunately, not always reliably consistent).
        iamacyborg 4y ago
        Sure, but the movies they’re being compared to were also the exceptions of their day. We remember them precisely because they were good, but tons of dross was also being released at the same time. The market economics were also vastly different at the time, streaming really has changed the industry, and the quality of tv shows has improved dramatically.
        jonhohle 4y ago
        My point was you chose a movie from a director known for stunning movies. That has nothing to do with the time period the movie was made. Stanley Kubrick, Terry Gilliam, Darren Aranofsky, and many others consistently make movies that would be considered beautiful regardless of when they were released.
        ddalex 4y ago
        Loved Sicario, and the parallela are there : the story, the gradual reveal, the tension, the character building.
    - kossTKR 4y ago
      No they are just better. I watched them years later and not as a kid and they're just great. It's about the pacing, pauses and slower character and world building. Newer movies are built for second screening and maximising action sequences to not bore the audience which kills all atmosphere and sense of time and place - the worst example of this is the new Avatar movie, absolutely horrible in every sense of the word, while the first one was alright as i remember it. You simply need to "set the stage", explain why this story is important and why the characters deserve sympathy or hate before you start your 3 hour action sequence - this step has been removed for some reason. Verhovens old movies were the same - there was a nerve, a seriousness, a reflection beneath the action, now it could just have well been created by an alien algorithm without a sense of the actual human experience. I wonder if it's a ridiculously extrapolated but misunderstood tic-tokification of cinema to please marketing? Because i've seen 20 second tik-toks with more emotion and character introduction than a lot of newer movies.
      - codazoda 4y ago
        For a contrasting movie, I thought “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood” (2019) was the opposite. The movie spends something like 80% of the time with setup. I loved it, my wife hated it. Looks like it’s 70% on Rotten Tomatoes.
      - ModernMech 4y ago
        > i've seen 20 second tik-toks with more emotion and character introduction than a lot of newer movies. Sure but this assumes movies are about characters and emotion. Michael Bay gets a lot of shit, but sometimes you just want to see things explode. Sometimes you just want to see robots fighting for two hours. Sometimes you want to see California swallowed by a tidal wave and the emotional character plot lines get in the way. I would pay to see a movie called “Two Hours Of Giant Rocks Hitting The Earth: No Characters Edition”, and the fact Michael Bay is rich means a lot of people agree.
        geoduck14 4y ago
        >Michael Bay gets a lot of shit, but sometimes you just want to see things explode. That's the truth right here. I once ran across kung-fu movie called Chocolate (iirc). The premise was an autistic girl who was good at fighting. The entire movie was her walking into a room, kicking major but, then walking into a different room to kick more but. It was great.
    - CuriouslyC 4y ago
      It's not nostalgia. Movies today are mostly hyper-produced, over focused-grouped, effects driven piles of blandness trying to avoid being offensive or take chances because if every critic 51% likes you, you have a 100% on rotten tomatoes.
      - Tenoke 4y ago
        You (and many in this thread) are comparing the best movies of a period to the average movies of today. In reality there's as good or better movies now and a ton of crap from back then, too.
        NhanH 4y ago
        What are the blockbusters of equivalent quality nowadays? I have to specify blockbuster because otherwise it doesn’t make much sense to compare Terminator to a small indie movie
        burkaman 4y ago
        Mad Max: Fury Road
        weregiraffe 4y ago
        This.
        jonhohle 4y ago
        Which is also an excellent counter-example to almost every other action movie which all rely on almost completely CG everything. No that MM:FR didn’t have its share of CG, but the practical effects create an authentic anxiety to much of the action. Also: Top Gun: Maverick
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        jamesgeck0 4y ago
        The Mission Impossible films have maintained high quality despite an absurd number of sequels. I’d also compare _Everything Everywhere All at Once_ favorably against a lot of old blockbusters. Modern technology aside, Top Gun: Maverick feels like it could have come out thirty years ago.
    - lm28469 4y ago
      For me a big part of it is due the slow pace. Today's slow movies are filmed in a way that make them feel more fast paced than action movies from the 80s/90s Watch Jurassic park and Jurassic world back to back, or The mummy vs the remake with Tom Cruise, too many cameras, too many view points, too many cuts
      - AB1908 4y ago
        How do you feel about the new Dune? Curious to hear your thoughts.
        snapcaster 4y ago
        As someone who LOVES the books (the frank herbert ones at least). I thought the movie was great. They captured the tone very well, casting was good. Even the dialogue created just for the movie that Duke Leto and Paul have about Desert power was very Dune. It also helped make clear that the Atriedes aren't "good guys" right off the bat. My only real complaint was that the time between them landing and the Harkonnen's invading was too short and didn't cover all the intrigue/politics occuring on Arrakis before the invasion. In the movie it came off as: Okay Leto you get Arrakis now LOL JK WE'RE INVADING IMMEDIATELY. But that being said, I understand there are length constraints and I think the movie was already about 2.5 hours so I can forgive them
        grogenaut 4y ago
        I read the books back in the 90s, but I don't remember it being obvious the atradies were bad. The seemed pretty egalitarian other than the main family. But I may have missed it. The harkonens are just horrific though. Am I remembering wrong from someone who has read more recently. I'm fine with how they did it in the movie I just never really jive with shows where everyone sucks.
        int_19h 4y ago
        The Atreides are still agents of a foreign empire occupying and exploiting Arrakis. They impose the Imperial hierarchy and law on the unwilling populace, by force, if necessary, and they extract the resources. They do try to treat their subjects well within the boundaries permitted by the system, unlike Harkonnens; it's just that the system itself is inherently oppressive, so the best they can do is being "good feudals". Paul even spells it out at one point: “You sense that Arrakis could be a paradise,” Kynes said. “Yet, as you see, the Imperium sends here only its trained hatchetmen, its seekers after the spice!” Paul held up his thumb with its ducal signet. “Do you see this ring?” “Yes.” “Do you know its significance?” Jessica turned sharply to stare at her son. “Your father lies dead in the ruins of Arrakeen,” Kynes said. “You are technically the Duke.” “I’m a soldier of the Imperium,” Paul said, “technically a hatchetman.” Kynes’ face darkened. “Even with the Emperor’s Sardaukar standing over your father’s body?” “The Sardaukar are one thing, the legal source of my authority is another,” Paul said.
    - _puk 4y ago
      Having just re watched Gremlins with teenage children (for their first time), there is definitely something about that era of movies. Dodgy animatronics were first scoffed at, and then forgotten pretty quickly as everyone just got into the pure enjoyment of that movie. This is a nigh on 40 year old film, with a lot of target references, yet it still hits the mark.. That said, rewatched transformers too, purely for the joy of the initial transformation (childhood toys coming to life..), and thoroughly enjoyed it (though it's already feeling a bit dated).
      - spaceman_2020 4y ago
        I still catch Back to the Future every time its on TV. That movie is so well-paced even by modern standards.
        williamcotton 4y ago
        "Back to the Future is a perfect movie!" - Quentin Tarantino
        johncalvinyoung 4y ago
        IIRC, I remember from discussions with other scriptwriters that BTF was rejected SO many times (and he redrafted it each time, afterwards) that the version that got filmed was like v12 of the story. Very, very tight and plotted.
      - cptskippy 4y ago
        > That said, rewatched transformers too, purely for the joy of the initial transformation Aside from the voice acting, there's nothing redeeming about those movies and felt like someone just pissed on my childhood. Any aspect of the cartoons or toys that inspired joy and wonder was lost in translation. The initial transformations were spoiled by trailers and also just disappointing in general. The transformations are largely incomprehensible and they might as well have used Star Trek transporter FX or a flash of light to transform them.
      - mrexroad 4y ago
        I just watched Gremlins with my kids during the holidays. My older teen had to look away and hated it (they can’t do horror films), my other teen was abhorred by all the death, and my pre-teen had the full range of emotions from cracking up often and jumping at the surprises. With that said, I was surprised to see how decisive, resourceful, and adaptable the mother was. Hears a noise in the attic, grabs a knife. Gets attacked, puts creature in nearest blender/microwave and hits switch. Hears another noise, grabs two knives because one wasn’t enough last time.
    - kranke155 4y ago
      Terminator 2 is widely recognised as an amazing piece of filmmaking, film scholars included. I believe Paul Thomas Anderson partially left film school because his professor was shitting on the movie. And he was damn right.
      - lofaszvanitt 4y ago
        This movie is about this phenomena :D. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364955/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364955/
        kleiba 4y ago
        phenomenon
    - spaceman_2020 4y ago
      Most of Cameron’s older movies hold up very well. Aliens is still fun, tense, and well-paced. Even True Lies is still fun. I think Cameron’s secret weapon is the camerawork and editing. He really lets the camera breathe and has an incredible sense of “beats” for every cut.
      - jonhohle 4y ago
        _ALL_ of his 80s and 90s movies hold up. He was a master storyteller that understood the tools, the craft, how to get the best out of the people working for him, and most importantly the story and characters. For whatever reason, he through out story and pushing people to their limits for technology and spectacle. It makes me sad to think that the last movies we’ll see from Jim Cameron are likely all in the Avatar universe, written by committee and acted in front of green screens.
        spaceman_2020 4y ago
        While I share that sentiment, I also appreciate that his current movies are at least his singular vision. Not a lot of original IP currently where the director gets control over the end product.
      - grogenaut 4y ago
        Had my daughter watch aliens for Halloween cause she was suggesting shit scary movies like the witch. She's 22. Gosh is that movie excellent. The best was the 3 endings where she relaxed and I was like excellent. Esp the spaceship fight. You thought this was over, no the most tense parts of the movie are yet to come.
        spaceman_2020 4y ago
        And it's not just "badass - it has a solid emotional core that drives the character. The director's cut makes it even more clear - Ripley lost her baby while she was in cryosleep, which gives her character's desperation to save Newt even more urgency.
    - benreesman 4y ago
      Obviously it’s all a matter of taste but there are people (myself included) that think practical effects complemented with CGI is still the right way to do action. Top Gun Maverick would be a data point that a lot of people agree. No matter how good the CGI, actors con a sound stage in front of a green screen just behave differently than actors or stunt people actually doing action stuff.
      - grogenaut 4y ago
        Reminded of the star trek gif where they take out the camera motion and it's just the actors randomly lurching around in their chairs while acting.
        TeMPOraL 4y ago
        Well, to be fair, if you filmed yourself in a car, with a windshield-attached camera, driving over rough terrain, and then stabilized the footage, it would also look like you and other passengers lurching around - though perhaps in a more synchronized fashion.
        grogenaut 4y ago
        In that footage you'd be at least moving in similar directions, in st they're all over the place, it's just way more obvious when there's no camera shake.
    - codeulike 4y ago
      I think the guy that made them has some new movie out or something
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  - mavhc 4y ago
    It wasn't in 1990
  - kbrannigan 4y ago
    The best action movie in my mind is: Terminator 2. Hands down. It's like an archetypal movie
- tootie 4y ago
  A lot of the jokes making T-800 talk like a 90s skater punk are pretty cringey today. I still have fond memories but my kids thought it was pretty dumb.
  - everdrive 4y ago
    Just wait til they’re 30-40, and they hear how kids are talking. Guaranteed it will sound just as dumb. :) I think it was always supposed to sound a little dumb. The T-800 is acting as a father figure, and bridging the cultural gap with his surrogate ‘son.’
    - blincoln 4y ago
      I agree. Now that I'm older, I've seen kids 30 years younger than me try to get their parents to use modern popular slang, and it feels super cringey. James Cameron would have been 36 when he was making Terminator 2, and he's a polymath with an eye for detail, so I'm sure he deliberately went for that layered meaning.
- papito 4y ago
  It was the golden age of special effects, when weak computing power had to be supplemented with effects as craft - mechanical and chemical. Those impressive liquid metal bullet holes are NOT computer-generated: https://www.instagram.com/p/CViWXcMlJrM/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CViWXcMlJrM/
  - the_af 4y ago
    And they used twins as doubles in many cases, instead of CGI. One is the security guard in Sarah Connor's prison (in some shots his twin brother acts like the T-1000), and yet another case is of course with Linda Hamilton and her twin sister. A fascinating practical effects scene, cut from the theatrical release, is when Sarah is removing a chip from the T-800's head in front of a mirror. Instead of using CGI, there is no mirror but a hole in the wall, where you can see actual Arnie and Linda Hamilton's twin sister acting as the "reflection"; the people closer to the camera are actually a dummy (or a double with heavy prosthetics for the hole in the head) and Linda Hamilton. This means they are sync'ing their movements to simulate a mirror! https://youtu.be/wrDo7wVXrBQ?t=122 https://youtu.be/wrDo7wVXrBQ?t=122 (I understand this was done both to avoid showing a camera reflection on the mirror, and also to avoid using a dummy for Arnie's face, which worked in the original Terminator but would have been too noticeable for T-2's era).
    - ihatepython 4y ago
      My favorite scenes where they used a body double was with Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop. Pause at about the 0:34 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyWjZM780lw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyWjZM780lw
    - papito 4y ago
      Yeah, I just love the ingenuity and sometimes brazenness of 90s effects and stunts. They look way better than today's green screen atrocities. Just yesterday I learned that in Cliffhanger (also aged amazingly well), they paid one million dollars to a stuntman to actually travel the harness between the two planes while airborne. Not bad for a day's work.
- triceratops 4y ago
  I rewatched it a few months ago. Fully expected the parts where they talk about the tech to be laughably wrong compared to the current state of the art in ML. Nope. Spot on. (Edit: with artistic license obviously. It was plausible-sounding instead of cringe technobabble).
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kwanbix 4y ago
If the fabricated voice is 100% indistinguishible from the real one, how can the T-1000 or T-800 distinguish them?
- axus 4y ago
  The content of the message gave away that the speaker was missing knowledge the real person should have.
  - kwanbix 4y ago
    So you are implying that the robots know all about the people? Seems unreasonable.
    - jrussino 4y ago
      This is the scene they're talking about: https://youtu.be/qKLTbJMJOSI https://youtu.be/qKLTbJMJOSI
      - kwanbix 4y ago
        I know exactly what the scene is. If the T800 does not know the name of the dog, why would the T1000 know?
        pseudalopex 4y ago
        The T800 said the wrong name to test the T1000. The person the T1000 pretended to be would have noticed.
        kwanbix 4y ago
        That is exactly the point. The person the T1000 would have noticed. But not the T1000. EDIT: I just noticed that the ones who replied to me interpreted it the other way around.
bryanrasmussen 4y ago
>so perhaps with the full vocal range in person it would have been different. I think there might have been other giveaways in person where the T-800 is concerned.
kernal 4y ago
>An interesting level of this scene is that it implies neither terminator is able to identify a fabricated voice even though they have a full understanding of each other's design. The T-1000 cannot tell it is talking to a T-800 until it realized it has been tricked and the T-800 cannot tell it is talking to a T-1000 until it tricks the other machine. What made it even more amazing was that the T-800 ran on a 6502 processor.

actionfromafar 4y ago

That movie holds up so incredibly well.

marpstar 4y ago
Best action movie of all time. Always has been.
- stinos 4y ago
  I'd never use extremes like 'best' or 'worst' to describe any type of creative piece, but I have to say having recently watched the first 2 movies again for the first time in like 20 years: yeah there is something about these movies (and some others from that era) which I'm really missing in releases of the past decade. Only problem being: I don't know if it's merely some nostaligic bias or if they are really just better overall.
  - 1over137 4y ago
    They were better. Creators experimented. Now, it's all about profit maximization and it's better to repeat known formulas: sequels, reboots, etc.
  - wseymour 4y ago
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  - toivo 4y ago
    Your experience is subjective and unique to you and so is for everyone else. That's why there's no point to use some objective metric to rate entertainment anyways. I don't generally like modern movies or TV as well, and I feel some what entitled to that opinion.
  - flippinburgers 4y ago
    Count me in in saying that there is something about these older movies that eclipses almost all "entertainment" these days. It is mostly the storytelling ranging from "the message" to the dialogue. None of it resonates with me.
    - iamacyborg 4y ago
      How do you feel about more modern movies like Sicario? That one has both a very strong message, fantastic dialogue and beautiful camera work, IMO.
      - jonhohle 4y ago
        That’s true of many Denis Villeneuve movies, though. There are always going to be directors that produce quality, regardless of current trends, however, these are the exception (and unfortunately, not always reliably consistent).
        iamacyborg 4y ago
        Sure, but the movies they’re being compared to were also the exceptions of their day. We remember them precisely because they were good, but tons of dross was also being released at the same time. The market economics were also vastly different at the time, streaming really has changed the industry, and the quality of tv shows has improved dramatically.
        jonhohle 4y ago
        My point was you chose a movie from a director known for stunning movies. That has nothing to do with the time period the movie was made. Stanley Kubrick, Terry Gilliam, Darren Aranofsky, and many others consistently make movies that would be considered beautiful regardless of when they were released.
      - ddalex 4y ago
        Loved Sicario, and the parallela are there : the story, the gradual reveal, the tension, the character building.
  - kossTKR 4y ago
    No they are just better. I watched them years later and not as a kid and they're just great. It's about the pacing, pauses and slower character and world building. Newer movies are built for second screening and maximising action sequences to not bore the audience which kills all atmosphere and sense of time and place - the worst example of this is the new Avatar movie, absolutely horrible in every sense of the word, while the first one was alright as i remember it. You simply need to "set the stage", explain why this story is important and why the characters deserve sympathy or hate before you start your 3 hour action sequence - this step has been removed for some reason. Verhovens old movies were the same - there was a nerve, a seriousness, a reflection beneath the action, now it could just have well been created by an alien algorithm without a sense of the actual human experience. I wonder if it's a ridiculously extrapolated but misunderstood tic-tokification of cinema to please marketing? Because i've seen 20 second tik-toks with more emotion and character introduction than a lot of newer movies.
    - codazoda 4y ago
      For a contrasting movie, I thought “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood” (2019) was the opposite. The movie spends something like 80% of the time with setup. I loved it, my wife hated it. Looks like it’s 70% on Rotten Tomatoes.
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      > i've seen 20 second tik-toks with more emotion and character introduction than a lot of newer movies. Sure but this assumes movies are about characters and emotion. Michael Bay gets a lot of shit, but sometimes you just want to see things explode. Sometimes you just want to see robots fighting for two hours. Sometimes you want to see California swallowed by a tidal wave and the emotional character plot lines get in the way. I would pay to see a movie called “Two Hours Of Giant Rocks Hitting The Earth: No Characters Edition”, and the fact Michael Bay is rich means a lot of people agree.
      - geoduck14 4y ago
        >Michael Bay gets a lot of shit, but sometimes you just want to see things explode. That's the truth right here. I once ran across kung-fu movie called Chocolate (iirc). The premise was an autistic girl who was good at fighting. The entire movie was her walking into a room, kicking major but, then walking into a different room to kick more but. It was great.
  - CuriouslyC 4y ago
    It's not nostalgia. Movies today are mostly hyper-produced, over focused-grouped, effects driven piles of blandness trying to avoid being offensive or take chances because if every critic 51% likes you, you have a 100% on rotten tomatoes.
    - Tenoke 4y ago
      You (and many in this thread) are comparing the best movies of a period to the average movies of today. In reality there's as good or better movies now and a ton of crap from back then, too.
      - NhanH 4y ago
        What are the blockbusters of equivalent quality nowadays? I have to specify blockbuster because otherwise it doesn’t make much sense to compare Terminator to a small indie movie
        burkaman 4y ago
        Mad Max: Fury Road
        weregiraffe 4y ago
        This.
        jonhohle 4y ago
        Which is also an excellent counter-example to almost every other action movie which all rely on almost completely CG everything. No that MM:FR didn’t have its share of CG, but the practical effects create an authentic anxiety to much of the action. Also: Top Gun: Maverick
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        jamesgeck0 4y ago
        The Mission Impossible films have maintained high quality despite an absurd number of sequels. I’d also compare _Everything Everywhere All at Once_ favorably against a lot of old blockbusters. Modern technology aside, Top Gun: Maverick feels like it could have come out thirty years ago.
  - lm28469 4y ago
    For me a big part of it is due the slow pace. Today's slow movies are filmed in a way that make them feel more fast paced than action movies from the 80s/90s Watch Jurassic park and Jurassic world back to back, or The mummy vs the remake with Tom Cruise, too many cameras, too many view points, too many cuts
    - AB1908 4y ago
      How do you feel about the new Dune? Curious to hear your thoughts.
      - snapcaster 4y ago
        As someone who LOVES the books (the frank herbert ones at least). I thought the movie was great. They captured the tone very well, casting was good. Even the dialogue created just for the movie that Duke Leto and Paul have about Desert power was very Dune. It also helped make clear that the Atriedes aren't "good guys" right off the bat. My only real complaint was that the time between them landing and the Harkonnen's invading was too short and didn't cover all the intrigue/politics occuring on Arrakis before the invasion. In the movie it came off as: Okay Leto you get Arrakis now LOL JK WE'RE INVADING IMMEDIATELY. But that being said, I understand there are length constraints and I think the movie was already about 2.5 hours so I can forgive them
        grogenaut 4y ago
        I read the books back in the 90s, but I don't remember it being obvious the atradies were bad. The seemed pretty egalitarian other than the main family. But I may have missed it. The harkonens are just horrific though. Am I remembering wrong from someone who has read more recently. I'm fine with how they did it in the movie I just never really jive with shows where everyone sucks.
        int_19h 4y ago
        The Atreides are still agents of a foreign empire occupying and exploiting Arrakis. They impose the Imperial hierarchy and law on the unwilling populace, by force, if necessary, and they extract the resources. They do try to treat their subjects well within the boundaries permitted by the system, unlike Harkonnens; it's just that the system itself is inherently oppressive, so the best they can do is being "good feudals". Paul even spells it out at one point: “You sense that Arrakis could be a paradise,” Kynes said. “Yet, as you see, the Imperium sends here only its trained hatchetmen, its seekers after the spice!” Paul held up his thumb with its ducal signet. “Do you see this ring?” “Yes.” “Do you know its significance?” Jessica turned sharply to stare at her son. “Your father lies dead in the ruins of Arrakeen,” Kynes said. “You are technically the Duke.” “I’m a soldier of the Imperium,” Paul said, “technically a hatchetman.” Kynes’ face darkened. “Even with the Emperor’s Sardaukar standing over your father’s body?” “The Sardaukar are one thing, the legal source of my authority is another,” Paul said.
  - _puk 4y ago
    Having just re watched Gremlins with teenage children (for their first time), there is definitely something about that era of movies. Dodgy animatronics were first scoffed at, and then forgotten pretty quickly as everyone just got into the pure enjoyment of that movie. This is a nigh on 40 year old film, with a lot of target references, yet it still hits the mark.. That said, rewatched transformers too, purely for the joy of the initial transformation (childhood toys coming to life..), and thoroughly enjoyed it (though it's already feeling a bit dated).
    - spaceman_2020 4y ago
      I still catch Back to the Future every time its on TV. That movie is so well-paced even by modern standards.
      - williamcotton 4y ago
        "Back to the Future is a perfect movie!" - Quentin Tarantino
      - johncalvinyoung 4y ago
        IIRC, I remember from discussions with other scriptwriters that BTF was rejected SO many times (and he redrafted it each time, afterwards) that the version that got filmed was like v12 of the story. Very, very tight and plotted.
    - cptskippy 4y ago
      > That said, rewatched transformers too, purely for the joy of the initial transformation Aside from the voice acting, there's nothing redeeming about those movies and felt like someone just pissed on my childhood. Any aspect of the cartoons or toys that inspired joy and wonder was lost in translation. The initial transformations were spoiled by trailers and also just disappointing in general. The transformations are largely incomprehensible and they might as well have used Star Trek transporter FX or a flash of light to transform them.
    - mrexroad 4y ago
      I just watched Gremlins with my kids during the holidays. My older teen had to look away and hated it (they can’t do horror films), my other teen was abhorred by all the death, and my pre-teen had the full range of emotions from cracking up often and jumping at the surprises. With that said, I was surprised to see how decisive, resourceful, and adaptable the mother was. Hears a noise in the attic, grabs a knife. Gets attacked, puts creature in nearest blender/microwave and hits switch. Hears another noise, grabs two knives because one wasn’t enough last time.
  - kranke155 4y ago
    Terminator 2 is widely recognised as an amazing piece of filmmaking, film scholars included. I believe Paul Thomas Anderson partially left film school because his professor was shitting on the movie. And he was damn right.
    - lofaszvanitt 4y ago
      This movie is about this phenomena :D. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364955/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364955/
      - kleiba 4y ago
        phenomenon
  - spaceman_2020 4y ago
    Most of Cameron’s older movies hold up very well. Aliens is still fun, tense, and well-paced. Even True Lies is still fun. I think Cameron’s secret weapon is the camerawork and editing. He really lets the camera breathe and has an incredible sense of “beats” for every cut.
    - jonhohle 4y ago
      _ALL_ of his 80s and 90s movies hold up. He was a master storyteller that understood the tools, the craft, how to get the best out of the people working for him, and most importantly the story and characters. For whatever reason, he through out story and pushing people to their limits for technology and spectacle. It makes me sad to think that the last movies we’ll see from Jim Cameron are likely all in the Avatar universe, written by committee and acted in front of green screens.
      - spaceman_2020 4y ago
        While I share that sentiment, I also appreciate that his current movies are at least his singular vision. Not a lot of original IP currently where the director gets control over the end product.
    - grogenaut 4y ago
      Had my daughter watch aliens for Halloween cause she was suggesting shit scary movies like the witch. She's 22. Gosh is that movie excellent. The best was the 3 endings where she relaxed and I was like excellent. Esp the spaceship fight. You thought this was over, no the most tense parts of the movie are yet to come.
      - spaceman_2020 4y ago
        And it's not just "badass - it has a solid emotional core that drives the character. The director's cut makes it even more clear - Ripley lost her baby while she was in cryosleep, which gives her character's desperation to save Newt even more urgency.
  - benreesman 4y ago
    Obviously it’s all a matter of taste but there are people (myself included) that think practical effects complemented with CGI is still the right way to do action. Top Gun Maverick would be a data point that a lot of people agree. No matter how good the CGI, actors con a sound stage in front of a green screen just behave differently than actors or stunt people actually doing action stuff.
    - grogenaut 4y ago
      Reminded of the star trek gif where they take out the camera motion and it's just the actors randomly lurching around in their chairs while acting.
      - TeMPOraL 4y ago
        Well, to be fair, if you filmed yourself in a car, with a windshield-attached camera, driving over rough terrain, and then stabilized the footage, it would also look like you and other passengers lurching around - though perhaps in a more synchronized fashion.
        grogenaut 4y ago
        In that footage you'd be at least moving in similar directions, in st they're all over the place, it's just way more obvious when there's no camera shake.
  - codeulike 4y ago
    I think the guy that made them has some new movie out or something
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- mavhc 4y ago
  It wasn't in 1990
- kbrannigan 4y ago
  The best action movie in my mind is: Terminator 2. Hands down. It's like an archetypal movie
tootie 4y ago
A lot of the jokes making T-800 talk like a 90s skater punk are pretty cringey today. I still have fond memories but my kids thought it was pretty dumb.
- everdrive 4y ago
  Just wait til they’re 30-40, and they hear how kids are talking. Guaranteed it will sound just as dumb. :) I think it was always supposed to sound a little dumb. The T-800 is acting as a father figure, and bridging the cultural gap with his surrogate ‘son.’
  - blincoln 4y ago
    I agree. Now that I'm older, I've seen kids 30 years younger than me try to get their parents to use modern popular slang, and it feels super cringey. James Cameron would have been 36 when he was making Terminator 2, and he's a polymath with an eye for detail, so I'm sure he deliberately went for that layered meaning.
papito 4y ago
It was the golden age of special effects, when weak computing power had to be supplemented with effects as craft - mechanical and chemical. Those impressive liquid metal bullet holes are NOT computer-generated: https://www.instagram.com/p/CViWXcMlJrM/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CViWXcMlJrM/
- the_af 4y ago
  And they used twins as doubles in many cases, instead of CGI. One is the security guard in Sarah Connor's prison (in some shots his twin brother acts like the T-1000), and yet another case is of course with Linda Hamilton and her twin sister. A fascinating practical effects scene, cut from the theatrical release, is when Sarah is removing a chip from the T-800's head in front of a mirror. Instead of using CGI, there is no mirror but a hole in the wall, where you can see actual Arnie and Linda Hamilton's twin sister acting as the "reflection"; the people closer to the camera are actually a dummy (or a double with heavy prosthetics for the hole in the head) and Linda Hamilton. This means they are sync'ing their movements to simulate a mirror! https://youtu.be/wrDo7wVXrBQ?t=122 https://youtu.be/wrDo7wVXrBQ?t=122 (I understand this was done both to avoid showing a camera reflection on the mirror, and also to avoid using a dummy for Arnie's face, which worked in the original Terminator but would have been too noticeable for T-2's era).
  - ihatepython 4y ago
    My favorite scenes where they used a body double was with Eddie Murphy in Beverly Hills Cop. Pause at about the 0:34 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyWjZM780lw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyWjZM780lw
  - papito 4y ago
    Yeah, I just love the ingenuity and sometimes brazenness of 90s effects and stunts. They look way better than today's green screen atrocities. Just yesterday I learned that in Cliffhanger (also aged amazingly well), they paid one million dollars to a stuntman to actually travel the harness between the two planes while airborne. Not bad for a day's work.
triceratops 4y ago
I rewatched it a few months ago. Fully expected the parts where they talk about the tech to be laughably wrong compared to the current state of the art in ML. Nope. Spot on. (Edit: with artistic license obviously. It was plausible-sounding instead of cringe technobabble).

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kwanbix 4y ago

If the fabricated voice is 100% indistinguishible from the real one, how can the T-1000 or T-800 distinguish them?

axus 4y ago
The content of the message gave away that the speaker was missing knowledge the real person should have.
- kwanbix 4y ago
  So you are implying that the robots know all about the people? Seems unreasonable.
  - jrussino 4y ago
    This is the scene they're talking about: https://youtu.be/qKLTbJMJOSI https://youtu.be/qKLTbJMJOSI
    - kwanbix 4y ago
      I know exactly what the scene is. If the T800 does not know the name of the dog, why would the T1000 know?
      - pseudalopex 4y ago
        The T800 said the wrong name to test the T1000. The person the T1000 pretended to be would have noticed.
        kwanbix 4y ago
        That is exactly the point. The person the T1000 would have noticed. But not the T1000. EDIT: I just noticed that the ones who replied to me interpreted it the other way around.

bryanrasmussen 4y ago

>so perhaps with the full vocal range in person it would have been different. I think there might have been other giveaways in person where the T-800 is concerned.

kernal 4y ago

>An interesting level of this scene is that it implies neither terminator is able to identify a fabricated voice even though they have a full understanding of each other's design. The T-1000 cannot tell it is talking to a T-800 until it realized it has been tricked and the T-800 cannot tell it is talking to a T-1000 until it tricks the other machine. What made it even more amazing was that the T-800 ran on a 6502 processor.