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I don’t think it’s that people expect it. It’s that some people absolutely despise the idea of artists and have some irrational desire to erase their jobs and a

by pigsty 4y ago

I don’t think it’s that people expect it. It’s that some people absolutely despise the idea of artists and have some irrational desire to erase their jobs and automate it all. These people usually aren’t people signing checks—just angry people online, and oftentimes tied in with political motivations. I don’t think many companies are licking their lips at the idea of firing artists (yet). They’re probably thinking about how they can use this to assist artists to get more done faster and at higher quality.

MontyCarloHall 4y ago
>It’s that some people absolutely despise the idea of artists and have some irrational desire to erase their jobs and automate it all. I’ve seen very few people who believe this. On the contrary, most prognostications about Stable Diffusion et al. killing artists’ livelihoods have come from artists themselves, e.g. https://waxy.org/2022/11/invasive-diffusion-how-one-unwilling-illustrator-found-herself-turned-into-an-ai-model/ https://waxy.org/2022/11/invasive-diffusion-how-one-unwillin...
- williamcotton 4y ago
  > I talked to Hollie Mengert about her experience last week. “My initial reaction was that it felt invasive that my name was on this tool, I didn’t know anything about it and wasn’t asked about it,” she said. “If I had been asked if they could do this, I wouldn’t have said yes.” The main issue here is that someone is using her name. Luckily she does have legal protections available to her! She can trademark her name! > “I feel like AI can kind of mimic brush textures and rendering, and pick up on some colors and shapes, but that’s not necessarily what makes you really hireable as an illustrator or designer. If you think about it, the rendering, brushstrokes, and colors are the most surface-level area of art. I think what people will ultimately connect to in art is a lovable, relatable character. And I’m seeing AI struggling with that.” Which is spot on! AI is fantastic at rendering (which tends to be everyone's least favorite part of the process) and not so great at everything else. > “As far as the characters, I didn’t see myself in it. I didn’t personally see the AI making decisions that that I would make, so I did feel distance from the results. Some of that frustrated me because it feels like it isn’t actually mimicking my style, and yet my name is still part of the tool.” Good art is and will always be about the end result after a series of creative decisions made by the artist. Professional artists have had assistants that paint large portions of their works since at least the Renaissance. In these cases they rely on their assistants for basic rendering tasks like backgrounds and folds on clothing. What makes it their painting is that they made the creative decisions.
fwsgonzo 4y ago
I come from a very creative family, but even I can see the writing on the wall. Join any Discord server for a high quality image network and you will see incredible art pieces appear all the time based on someones description on what they want. Here is a random image I found: https://cloud.nwcs.no/index.php/s/TmzWzBW6fae4pkp https://cloud.nwcs.no/index.php/s/TmzWzBW6fae4pkp And this is very important: We haven't had these for a very long time. Imagine what they can do in 10 years? Or 6 months? What about ChatGPT, imagine it in 10 years? Every single task that simply requires reiterating known information can be replaced if desired. That doesn't mean I desire it. But I also know what kind of world we live in. The economy comes first, people second. That people are angry I can completely understand. I can also understand trying to argue that "this means nothing", and "its a grift", like someone working in oil hearing about climate change. Personally I am in awe that this is possible, but also sad at what will inevitably happen.
- lm28469 4y ago
  People were cheering for automation in the 60s, saying we wouldn't have to work more than 3 hours a day by the 80s, I think people should reboot their crystal balls before prophesying the end of artists
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    The same thing will happen to artists that happened to the factory worker with the rise of factory automation: Most of their jobs will go away, and there will only be very few artists that can even make a cent off their work, worse than that exact problem exists today as now there won't even be a skill barrier to filter out people. The artists that currently make x$ a year off their work will lose access to that income and have to find new careers and then a giant conglomerate will buy all the companies that create digital works and their PR arm will tell us how much better off we all are that Art is cheap and automated and once again we will see individual income not increase for fifty years as GDP doubles again and wealth inequality reaches even stupider heights.
    - fwsgonzo 4y ago

by pigsty 4y ago

MontyCarloHall 4y ago

>It’s that some people absolutely despise the idea of artists and have some irrational desire to erase their jobs and automate it all. I’ve seen very few people who believe this. On the contrary, most prognostications about Stable Diffusion et al. killing artists’ livelihoods have come from artists themselves, e.g. https://waxy.org/2022/11/invasive-diffusion-how-one-unwilling-illustrator-found-herself-turned-into-an-ai-model/ https://waxy.org/2022/11/invasive-diffusion-how-one-unwillin...

williamcotton 4y ago
> I talked to Hollie Mengert about her experience last week. “My initial reaction was that it felt invasive that my name was on this tool, I didn’t know anything about it and wasn’t asked about it,” she said. “If I had been asked if they could do this, I wouldn’t have said yes.” The main issue here is that someone is using her name. Luckily she does have legal protections available to her! She can trademark her name! > “I feel like AI can kind of mimic brush textures and rendering, and pick up on some colors and shapes, but that’s not necessarily what makes you really hireable as an illustrator or designer. If you think about it, the rendering, brushstrokes, and colors are the most surface-level area of art. I think what people will ultimately connect to in art is a lovable, relatable character. And I’m seeing AI struggling with that.” Which is spot on! AI is fantastic at rendering (which tends to be everyone's least favorite part of the process) and not so great at everything else. > “As far as the characters, I didn’t see myself in it. I didn’t personally see the AI making decisions that that I would make, so I did feel distance from the results. Some of that frustrated me because it feels like it isn’t actually mimicking my style, and yet my name is still part of the tool.” Good art is and will always be about the end result after a series of creative decisions made by the artist. Professional artists have had assistants that paint large portions of their works since at least the Renaissance. In these cases they rely on their assistants for basic rendering tasks like backgrounds and folds on clothing. What makes it their painting is that they made the creative decisions.

fwsgonzo 4y ago

I come from a very creative family, but even I can see the writing on the wall. Join any Discord server for a high quality image network and you will see incredible art pieces appear all the time based on someones description on what they want. Here is a random image I found: https://cloud.nwcs.no/index.php/s/TmzWzBW6fae4pkp https://cloud.nwcs.no/index.php/s/TmzWzBW6fae4pkp And this is very important: We haven't had these for a very long time. Imagine what they can do in 10 years? Or 6 months? What about ChatGPT, imagine it in 10 years? Every single task that simply requires reiterating known information can be replaced if desired. That doesn't mean I desire it. But I also know what kind of world we live in. The economy comes first, people second. That people are angry I can completely understand. I can also understand trying to argue that "this means nothing", and "its a grift", like someone working in oil hearing about climate change. Personally I am in awe that this is possible, but also sad at what will inevitably happen.

lm28469 4y ago
People were cheering for automation in the 60s, saying we wouldn't have to work more than 3 hours a day by the 80s, I think people should reboot their crystal balls before prophesying the end of artists
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  The same thing will happen to artists that happened to the factory worker with the rise of factory automation: Most of their jobs will go away, and there will only be very few artists that can even make a cent off their work, worse than that exact problem exists today as now there won't even be a skill barrier to filter out people. The artists that currently make x$ a year off their work will lose access to that income and have to find new careers and then a giant conglomerate will buy all the companies that create digital works and their PR arm will tell us how much better off we all are that Art is cheap and automated and once again we will see individual income not increase for fifty years as GDP doubles again and wealth inequality reaches even stupider heights.
  - fwsgonzo 4y ago