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my point is clearly not about the reality of climate change. earth changed climate a millions time this is a known fact. the intangibility is obvious its been d

my point is clearly not about the reality of climate change. earth changed climate a millions time this is a known fact. the intangibility is obvious its been decades and no one is able to tell what will happen exactly even next week or in one month. I don't understand your reaction. my point is about why vc would be interested about "climate tech" as being a new bitcoin. selling stuff and "tech" leveraging the fear mongering that politicians and marketers use to sell climate related goods. al gore was the flagship person talking about climate and got shilled by pretty much everyone for a decade. he got to do everything with the current politizing and marketing around climate change. your reaction is similar to a religious person feeling offended for someone opposing your views especially I wasn't even an opponent of climate change merely an opponent of the shills making money out of it

gausswho 4y ago
two things can be true here. our model of incentivizing change is still steeped in a crudely market driven and politically corrupt set of levers. that's the global system we've inherited. the other thing that is true is that the problem is not about climate change (a catch phrase the fossil fuel industry has trained us to use so that weak arguments can fall back on 'but there's always been change!'). we're talking about climate destabilization, of proven anthropogenic causes. no we cannot precisely predict what the tipping points are or how bad it will be, but we have decades of research showing that it is human caused and operating on a trajectory unlike anything before the industrial era. and we know it is worsening and the stakes for civilization are high. how we rise to this challenge today, with our current tools, involves investment human and capital. we can hope that those investments are allocated wisely. we can expect that there will be charlatans and waste, as there has been any time a complex problem has been tackled.
crispinb 4y ago
My local area has been devastated by historically unprecedented floods twice just this year, with nearly complete destruction of all local infrastructure. I know two people who drowned. I have had complete loss of roads and bridges out of the valley where I live, necessitating long walks with a backpack to get supplies. Internet and electricity gone for weeks at a time. My nearest town (Lismore, NSW) may not survive at all. Large numbers of people here, many in their 50s and over, are now homeless, living in tents and caravans. Such consequences, having been predicted now for over 30 years and systematically suppressed or rubbished by the fossil fuel industry and their purchases in government, are happening all over the world. Waves of further natural disasters, and the consequent millions of refugees spreading across the world, will cause political convulsions making the last couple of years seem like an oasis of stability. My anger is not religious, it's personal grief and fear about the destruction of our physical world. Anyone who is not angry by the sheer vast scale of the emergency is a fool or a psychopath. Your trivial focus on the temerity of companies working in the climate change area trying to make money, as opposed to the worldwide horrific real consequences of climate change itself, to all denizens of our world, human and non-human alike, is so weird its motivations are deeply suspect.
- finikytou 4y ago
  I understand then your anger and it is justified and humane. I can have a trivial focus on companies trying to make money out of climate change because in the bigger picture they are working against your beliefs and against the idea that we can solve it. they don't want to solve it they want to milk it. we need political decisions not startups selling snake oil.
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  - crispinb 4y ago
    Your ire would be better directed towards fossil fuel companies, who have spent millions designing and then infecting the public sphere with irrelevant rhetoric designed by marketing companies to distract (all the 'points' you made btw parrot these almost word for word). They have known (informed by their own employed scientists) since the 1970's that continued growth of their trade would lead to disaster, but spent vast scads of cash corrupting governments all over the world to push that growth, and hence the breakdown of our climate systems, ever further. Anyway, this is isn't productive. To be perfectly honest I don't accept your honesty or good will given the foolishness of what you've written, so the conversation's a bit pointless. Last word to you if you want it.

gausswho 4y ago

two things can be true here. our model of incentivizing change is still steeped in a crudely market driven and politically corrupt set of levers. that's the global system we've inherited. the other thing that is true is that the problem is not about climate change (a catch phrase the fossil fuel industry has trained us to use so that weak arguments can fall back on 'but there's always been change!'). we're talking about climate destabilization, of proven anthropogenic causes. no we cannot precisely predict what the tipping points are or how bad it will be, but we have decades of research showing that it is human caused and operating on a trajectory unlike anything before the industrial era. and we know it is worsening and the stakes for civilization are high. how we rise to this challenge today, with our current tools, involves investment human and capital. we can hope that those investments are allocated wisely. we can expect that there will be charlatans and waste, as there has been any time a complex problem has been tackled.

crispinb 4y ago

My local area has been devastated by historically unprecedented floods twice just this year, with nearly complete destruction of all local infrastructure. I know two people who drowned. I have had complete loss of roads and bridges out of the valley where I live, necessitating long walks with a backpack to get supplies. Internet and electricity gone for weeks at a time. My nearest town (Lismore, NSW) may not survive at all. Large numbers of people here, many in their 50s and over, are now homeless, living in tents and caravans. Such consequences, having been predicted now for over 30 years and systematically suppressed or rubbished by the fossil fuel industry and their purchases in government, are happening all over the world. Waves of further natural disasters, and the consequent millions of refugees spreading across the world, will cause political convulsions making the last couple of years seem like an oasis of stability. My anger is not religious, it's personal grief and fear about the destruction of our physical world. Anyone who is not angry by the sheer vast scale of the emergency is a fool or a psychopath. Your trivial focus on the temerity of companies working in the climate change area trying to make money, as opposed to the worldwide horrific real consequences of climate change itself, to all denizens of our world, human and non-human alike, is so weird its motivations are deeply suspect.

finikytou 4y ago
I understand then your anger and it is justified and humane. I can have a trivial focus on companies trying to make money out of climate change because in the bigger picture they are working against your beliefs and against the idea that we can solve it. they don't want to solve it they want to milk it. we need political decisions not startups selling snake oil.
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- crispinb 4y ago
  Your ire would be better directed towards fossil fuel companies, who have spent millions designing and then infecting the public sphere with irrelevant rhetoric designed by marketing companies to distract (all the 'points' you made btw parrot these almost word for word). They have known (informed by their own employed scientists) since the 1970's that continued growth of their trade would lead to disaster, but spent vast scads of cash corrupting governments all over the world to push that growth, and hence the breakdown of our climate systems, ever further. Anyway, this is isn't productive. To be perfectly honest I don't accept your honesty or good will given the foolishness of what you've written, so the conversation's a bit pointless. Last word to you if you want it.