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Perhaps not as nonsensical as you think, considering the Sahara used to be a much more fertile and inviting place. The desertification started around the same t

by briga 4y ago

Perhaps not as nonsensical as you think, considering the Sahara used to be a much more fertile and inviting place. The desertification started around the same time humans started practising intensive agriculture. Coincidence? Maybe, but I have a strong hunch that humans are largely responsible for the way the Sahara looks today.

barbazoo 4y ago
Is land availability really the problem we're dealing with though? There is plenty of space, but one issue is that we're using it for direct and indirect production of meat. Switch to vegetarian diets and all of a sudden that space, energy and water can be used to grow food directly, no? Parent was talking about a mega project which this would absolutely also be as well, it just sounds like a lot less work on the ground, but more work in people's heads.
- cf141q5325 4y ago
  The land required for industrial non-meat food production has a lot stricter requirements then grasslands. Just replacing them is not possible. In practice a lot of agricultural land is coming from cleared forests and leaves behind eroded soil which is a giant problem. You can keep cattle (or Bisons it seems) on those. With the added benefit of them actually rebuilding the topsoil. We might actually need something like this. edit: Then again, bisons are fucking scary. There is a great story i read a while back about the huge starting advantage Europe had vs Africa and America when it came to easy to domesticate animals. Good luck trying to survive riding a Zebra or hunting a Buffalo. On a sidenote, there is an Island in Africa created by a river which trapped a bunch of Lions and Buffalo. Lions had to evolve to incredible dimensions to hunt successful. Search for Okavango Delta
  - moloch-hai 4y ago
    Zebra can be tamed, but older ones bite.

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Perhaps not as nonsensical as you think, considering the Sahara used to be a much more fertile and inviting place. The desertification started around the same t

by briga 4y ago

barbazoo 4y ago
Is land availability really the problem we're dealing with though? There is plenty of space, but one issue is that we're using it for direct and indirect production of meat. Switch to vegetarian diets and all of a sudden that space, energy and water can be used to grow food directly, no? Parent was talking about a mega project which this would absolutely also be as well, it just sounds like a lot less work on the ground, but more work in people's heads.
- cf141q5325 4y ago
  The land required for industrial non-meat food production has a lot stricter requirements then grasslands. Just replacing them is not possible. In practice a lot of agricultural land is coming from cleared forests and leaves behind eroded soil which is a giant problem. You can keep cattle (or Bisons it seems) on those. With the added benefit of them actually rebuilding the topsoil. We might actually need something like this. edit: Then again, bisons are fucking scary. There is a great story i read a while back about the huge starting advantage Europe had vs Africa and America when it came to easy to domesticate animals. Good luck trying to survive riding a Zebra or hunting a Buffalo. On a sidenote, there is an Island in Africa created by a river which trapped a bunch of Lions and Buffalo. Lions had to evolve to incredible dimensions to hunt successful. Search for Okavango Delta
  - moloch-hai 4y ago
    Zebra can be tamed, but older ones bite.