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In that case and most others "PC" is a shortening of "IBM PC" rather than "Personal Computer".

29athrowaway 4y ago
It's obsolete terminology. IBM no longer makes personal computers, their personal computer division was sold to Lenovo. Also at some point IBM made computers that were no longer "IBM PC compatible" to avoid competitors from cloning their products. So I'll dispute this terminology each time I read it, because I can. If you like that "PC" terminology, other terminology you may be interested in may be: "color TV", "transistor radio", etc.
- scheeseman486 4y ago
  English language and culture in general is steeped in obsolete terminology, words that become divorced and changed from their original meanings. Though in this case I'd argue that it isn't obsolete terminology. You can still boot into real mode/DOS on a modern x86/64 PC, at their heart still lies an IBM PC compatible. IBM made IBM PC compatibles up until they stopped making personal computers. You can do what you want but idk seems a little silly to be that passionate about being wrong. "If you like that "PC" terminology, other terminology you may be interested in may be: "color TV", "transistor radio", etc." Neither of those describe or imply compatibility with any specific set of standards.
  - 29athrowaway 4y ago
    Any rational person that doesn't know the backstory will ask you "why is a Mac, a personal computer, not considered to be a PC?" Then you will have to disambiguate "PC as in personal computer" vs "PC as in IBM PC compatible". And then the expected rational response to your explanation would be "then why won't you call it IBM PC compatible then?" and the response to that is "because I am lazy and use language in an ambiguous way".
    - scheeseman486 4y ago
      "why is a Mac, a personal computer, not considered to be a PC?" "Because what we call PCs today are derived from the IBM PC and people got sick of saying the IBM part. tha end."
    - Tor3 4y ago
      Did you read the article? It explained about that. A lot. The name of that particular computer had "PC" in it, and not because of IBM (NEC used that in 1979 already, for example).
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Legacy BIOS compatibility is gone so we no longer able to run DOS on latest machine.
    - scheeseman486 4y ago
      Depends on the motherboard/UEFI, the CPUs (as far as I know, if you have any docs that say otherwise I'd like a looksie) still support it.

It's obsolete terminology. IBM no longer makes personal computers, their personal computer division was sold to Lenovo. Also at some point IBM made computers that were no longer "IBM PC compatible" to avoid competitors from cloning their products. So I'll dispute this terminology each time I read it, because I can. If you like that "PC" terminology, other terminology you may be interested in may be: "color TV", "transistor radio", etc.

scheeseman486 4y ago
English language and culture in general is steeped in obsolete terminology, words that become divorced and changed from their original meanings. Though in this case I'd argue that it isn't obsolete terminology. You can still boot into real mode/DOS on a modern x86/64 PC, at their heart still lies an IBM PC compatible. IBM made IBM PC compatibles up until they stopped making personal computers. You can do what you want but idk seems a little silly to be that passionate about being wrong. "If you like that "PC" terminology, other terminology you may be interested in may be: "color TV", "transistor radio", etc." Neither of those describe or imply compatibility with any specific set of standards.
- 29athrowaway 4y ago
  Any rational person that doesn't know the backstory will ask you "why is a Mac, a personal computer, not considered to be a PC?" Then you will have to disambiguate "PC as in personal computer" vs "PC as in IBM PC compatible". And then the expected rational response to your explanation would be "then why won't you call it IBM PC compatible then?" and the response to that is "because I am lazy and use language in an ambiguous way".
  - scheeseman486 4y ago
    "why is a Mac, a personal computer, not considered to be a PC?" "Because what we call PCs today are derived from the IBM PC and people got sick of saying the IBM part. tha end."
  - Tor3 4y ago
    Did you read the article? It explained about that. A lot. The name of that particular computer had "PC" in it, and not because of IBM (NEC used that in 1979 already, for example).
- fomine3 4y ago
  Legacy BIOS compatibility is gone so we no longer able to run DOS on latest machine.
  - scheeseman486 4y ago
    Depends on the motherboard/UEFI, the CPUs (as far as I know, if you have any docs that say otherwise I'd like a looksie) still support it.