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>You just implement the feature in your own fork. You said "changing the project from the inside", which a fork isn't. >No, this is false and you're getting c

>You just implement the feature in your own fork. You said "changing the project from the inside", which a fork isn't. >No, this is false and you're getting confused again https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/43572618 https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/435... Gnome is a business, same as Wikipedia. They have a charter and a board of directors and almost one million dollars in revenue in 2020. Lot less in 2021 though, and I don't see any newer reports (I'm not looking in depth right now). >A pass on what, exactly? Criticism, in the same style as you'd criticize any business, or at least Wikipedia. So I ask again, what guidelines would you give for criticizing companies like Adobe, wizards of the coast, Wikipedia, the linux foundation, etc?

QUrprUd1nCeicw 4y ago
>You said "changing the project from the inside", which a fork isn't. Yeah, it is. The inside of the project being the code. You just fork it and change whatever you want. What else do you think that means in the context of software? >Gnome is a business, same as Wikipedia No, GNOME and Wikipedia are both non-profits. They're not businesses. "Business" usually means a for-profit company. In both GNOME and Wikipedia, the money is mostly all going to administration costs and costs to run the servers. Currently no GNOME developers are paid by the non-profit, and Wikipedia editors aren't paid either. Ask any of them and they'll verify this. I think you're confused as to how most non-profits actually operate. I haven't said anyone gets a pass on criticism, I'm not sure why you're pushing that point. I don't think you should throw bad, low-effort angry criticism at businesses either. But open source projects aren't businesses, so I can't answer your question because it doesn't make any sense. Please ask a different question or rephrase it.
- traverseda 4y ago
  I'm not even sure what you're claiming at this point, aside from that I shouldn't criticize or be angry with Gnome.
  - QUrprUd1nCeicw 4y ago
    My original point was your criticism is lacking in substance and it needs to improve, and also your anger is misguided and unhealthy. I get that you're passionate about open source so that's why I'm explaining it. GNOME is just an open source project given away for free by community volunteers, it's not a business. They can't see you're upset and just charge you a hundred bucks to send customer service to your house to fix whatever missing thing you have on your computer. The anger is just going to go nowhere and rot, it's your responsibility to channel your energy in a productive direction, like actually being respectful and convincing people (with solid facts about design and tech issues) that your way is the right way.

QUrprUd1nCeicw 4y ago

>You said "changing the project from the inside", which a fork isn't. Yeah, it is. The inside of the project being the code. You just fork it and change whatever you want. What else do you think that means in the context of software? >Gnome is a business, same as Wikipedia No, GNOME and Wikipedia are both non-profits. They're not businesses. "Business" usually means a for-profit company. In both GNOME and Wikipedia, the money is mostly all going to administration costs and costs to run the servers. Currently no GNOME developers are paid by the non-profit, and Wikipedia editors aren't paid either. Ask any of them and they'll verify this. I think you're confused as to how most non-profits actually operate. I haven't said anyone gets a pass on criticism, I'm not sure why you're pushing that point. I don't think you should throw bad, low-effort angry criticism at businesses either. But open source projects aren't businesses, so I can't answer your question because it doesn't make any sense. Please ask a different question or rephrase it.

traverseda 4y ago
I'm not even sure what you're claiming at this point, aside from that I shouldn't criticize or be angry with Gnome.
- QUrprUd1nCeicw 4y ago
  My original point was your criticism is lacking in substance and it needs to improve, and also your anger is misguided and unhealthy. I get that you're passionate about open source so that's why I'm explaining it. GNOME is just an open source project given away for free by community volunteers, it's not a business. They can't see you're upset and just charge you a hundred bucks to send customer service to your house to fix whatever missing thing you have on your computer. The anger is just going to go nowhere and rot, it's your responsibility to channel your energy in a productive direction, like actually being respectful and convincing people (with solid facts about design and tech issues) that your way is the right way.