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It's not as generational as you think (and I realize this makes my previous post hypocritical, but whatever). I can tell you many Gen Z and Millenials notice so

It's not as generational as you think (and I realize this makes my previous post hypocritical, but whatever). I can tell you many Gen Z and Millenials notice something is a little off with the trends even amongst ourselves. We're turning weird, and not in a healthy way. Maybe others closer to these trends can chime in.

TulliusCicero 4y ago
> I can tell you many Gen Z and Millenials notice something is a little off with the trends even amongst ourselves. Do you think this wasn't true among previous generations?
- jesuscript 4y ago
  This is a rabbit hole if we go back and forth. Yes, there was always a get-off-my-lawn element in previous generations. But I am trying to hone in on certain critiques that are valid for certain generations. I'll give in you an example: It was (whether the generation was self aware or not) mostly acceptably for people in America in the 1950s to be mildly racist towards black people (it's just, how they grew up, it was the status quo). That's not a get-off-my-lawn observation of that demographic. This was not a simple generational "quirk", it was a notable flaw. Socially, I think somethings a little up with whatever is going on now days. But that's just me and history will sort this. Things are very hard to sort out as it's actually happening.
  - 2devnull 4y ago
    We’re more racist than ever, we just don’t see it now.
    - cyberlurker 4y ago
      You are in a bubble. We have problems today but we don't have separate water fountains for races enforced by law.
      - 2devnull 4y ago
        Hate crimes in 2021 were at the highest level in over a decade. https://www.statista.com/chart/16100/total-number-of-hate-crime-incidents-recorded-by-the-fbi/ https://www.statista.com/chart/16100/total-number-of-hate-cr...
        defrost 4y ago
        Strictly speaking that's Reported hate crimes passed onto and recorded by the FBI. These details matter in Understanding Data 101 .. consult your history for lynchings made public on newspaper front pages and sold as postcards yet not reported as hate crimes.
        2devnull 4y ago
        Would we have even known about George Floyd without the video? Go on thinking we’ve eliminated racism. You’re factually incorrect.
        defrost 4y ago
        You're not making any sense here. 1) I don't think "we" 've eliminated racism (who's 'we' here?) 2) It is factually correct that an increase in reporting of hate crime doesn't logically correlate with an increase (or decrease) in actual hate crime numbers. In recent decades in the US it is a sign that hate crime is being taken more seriously and being reported more often by local LEO's to the central FBI stats page. As you yourself acknowledge the US has known past issues with the reporting of hate crime and there's good reason to suspect that a high proportion of past sch crimes have gone unreported, to either local LEO's or to federal tally sheets. Note that from a crime stats PoV the US FBI database is barely adequate compared to crime logging in other G20 countries, it's riddled with issues and the FBI meta commentary acknowledges the shortcomings.
DAVer98 4y ago
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TulliusCicero 4y ago

> I can tell you many Gen Z and Millenials notice something is a little off with the trends even amongst ourselves. Do you think this wasn't true among previous generations?

jesuscript 4y ago
This is a rabbit hole if we go back and forth. Yes, there was always a get-off-my-lawn element in previous generations. But I am trying to hone in on certain critiques that are valid for certain generations. I'll give in you an example: It was (whether the generation was self aware or not) mostly acceptably for people in America in the 1950s to be mildly racist towards black people (it's just, how they grew up, it was the status quo). That's not a get-off-my-lawn observation of that demographic. This was not a simple generational "quirk", it was a notable flaw. Socially, I think somethings a little up with whatever is going on now days. But that's just me and history will sort this. Things are very hard to sort out as it's actually happening.
- 2devnull 4y ago
  We’re more racist than ever, we just don’t see it now.
  - cyberlurker 4y ago
    You are in a bubble. We have problems today but we don't have separate water fountains for races enforced by law.
    - 2devnull 4y ago
      Hate crimes in 2021 were at the highest level in over a decade. https://www.statista.com/chart/16100/total-number-of-hate-crime-incidents-recorded-by-the-fbi/ https://www.statista.com/chart/16100/total-number-of-hate-cr...
      - defrost 4y ago
        Strictly speaking that's Reported hate crimes passed onto and recorded by the FBI. These details matter in Understanding Data 101 .. consult your history for lynchings made public on newspaper front pages and sold as postcards yet not reported as hate crimes.
        2devnull 4y ago
        Would we have even known about George Floyd without the video? Go on thinking we’ve eliminated racism. You’re factually incorrect.
        defrost 4y ago
        You're not making any sense here. 1) I don't think "we" 've eliminated racism (who's 'we' here?) 2) It is factually correct that an increase in reporting of hate crime doesn't logically correlate with an increase (or decrease) in actual hate crime numbers. In recent decades in the US it is a sign that hate crime is being taken more seriously and being reported more often by local LEO's to the central FBI stats page. As you yourself acknowledge the US has known past issues with the reporting of hate crime and there's good reason to suspect that a high proportion of past sch crimes have gone unreported, to either local LEO's or to federal tally sheets. Note that from a crime stats PoV the US FBI database is barely adequate compared to crime logging in other G20 countries, it's riddled with issues and the FBI meta commentary acknowledges the shortcomings.

DAVer98 4y ago

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