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The same thing happened in 2013, but back then it was just a matter of discontent with the government. Now the protesters apparently endorse an actual coup d’é

The same thing happened in 2013, but back then it was just a matter of discontent with the government. Now the protesters apparently endorse an actual coup d’état against the legitimately-elected Lula da Silva administration. It is another sad day for Brazilian democracy. Yet, like in the U.S., I seriously doubt these violent acts will achieve their aims.

matheusmoreira 4y ago
> back then it was just a matter of discontent with the government "Just" a matter of discontent with the most corrupt government in the history of Brazil? The very same people implicated in those scandals are back in power literally right now. Pretty much everybody who was imprisoned for corruption is not only free but back in power. The corruption investigation that imprisoned the current president was essentially extinguished. Now he's not only president again but has supreme court judges backing his every move, which means the elected conservative congress and senate don't matter at all. Don't minimize this. > Now the protesters apparently endorse an actual coup d’état against the legitimately-elected Lula da Silva administration. We don't believe this "election". For a lot of people including myself this is the real coup. You can claim that Trump was legitimately defeated in the USA with their paper voting process and I'll believe you. This is Brazil though, and I don't believe for a minute those voting machines were not tampered with. The software is written in C and the Makefile downloads unaudited third party libraries straight off the internet and links them to the final binary prior to cryptographic signing. This is a literal supply chain vulnerability, of the same sort that gets news posted about it on this very site, the latest post being from days ago. You cannot convince anyone with technical knowledge that this system is trustworthy. Instead of pulling out all the stops to prove that there was no fraud, namely by releasing source code and the cryptographically signed binaries that actually ran on the machines on the day of the election, TSE judges doubled down, declared the machines to be infallible and the results to be unquestionable, then started censoring anyone who questioned, applying absurd fines, taking down social media accounts and generally making a mockery of the brazilian constitution. Add to that the openly biased judges during the election and their disproportional censorship of Bolsonaro over "fake news", Biden's CIA officials pressuring the president of a sovereign country not to question the voting machines and countless other controversies, how do you expect anyone to accept this as legitimate? You simply cannot convince me that this was not collusion if not conspiracy to get Lula elected. > Yet, like in the U.S., I seriously doubt these violent acts will achieve their aims. You should remember that the socialist president of Bolivia renounced power after people started burning down the government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Bolivian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Bolivian_protests This is probably the best case scenario for this country at this point but I agree with you that it's unlikely to happen. Lula promised to order the armed forces to clear out the protesters and I have no doubt they're going to obey.

matheusmoreira 4y ago

> back then it was just a matter of discontent with the government "Just" a matter of discontent with the most corrupt government in the history of Brazil? The very same people implicated in those scandals are back in power literally right now. Pretty much everybody who was imprisoned for corruption is not only free but back in power. The corruption investigation that imprisoned the current president was essentially extinguished. Now he's not only president again but has supreme court judges backing his every move, which means the elected conservative congress and senate don't matter at all. Don't minimize this. > Now the protesters apparently endorse an actual coup d’état against the legitimately-elected Lula da Silva administration. We don't believe this "election". For a lot of people including myself this is the real coup. You can claim that Trump was legitimately defeated in the USA with their paper voting process and I'll believe you. This is Brazil though, and I don't believe for a minute those voting machines were not tampered with. The software is written in C and the Makefile downloads unaudited third party libraries straight off the internet and links them to the final binary prior to cryptographic signing. This is a literal supply chain vulnerability, of the same sort that gets news posted about it on this very site, the latest post being from days ago. You cannot convince anyone with technical knowledge that this system is trustworthy. Instead of pulling out all the stops to prove that there was no fraud, namely by releasing source code and the cryptographically signed binaries that actually ran on the machines on the day of the election, TSE judges doubled down, declared the machines to be infallible and the results to be unquestionable, then started censoring anyone who questioned, applying absurd fines, taking down social media accounts and generally making a mockery of the brazilian constitution. Add to that the openly biased judges during the election and their disproportional censorship of Bolsonaro over "fake news", Biden's CIA officials pressuring the president of a sovereign country not to question the voting machines and countless other controversies, how do you expect anyone to accept this as legitimate? You simply cannot convince me that this was not collusion if not conspiracy to get Lula elected. > Yet, like in the U.S., I seriously doubt these violent acts will achieve their aims. You should remember that the socialist president of Bolivia renounced power after people started burning down the government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Bolivian_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Bolivian_protests This is probably the best case scenario for this country at this point but I agree with you that it's unlikely to happen. Lula promised to order the armed forces to clear out the protesters and I have no doubt they're going to obey.