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Never occurred to me until now that a capable artist may just have a lot more jobs available to him once the AI-to-image revolution will be fully rolling. E.g.

Never occurred to me until now that a capable artist may just have a lot more jobs available to him once the AI-to-image revolution will be fully rolling. E.g. some kid will create a video game with AI art, sell tons of it and then need artists to make the updates. In other words, AI facilitates entry to the digital art world which leads to the need of artists. It's like free samples.

ketzo 4y ago
I think this is a good and optimistic take, but you have to imagine AI art will only get better from here — how long until it closes the loop?
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kukx 4y ago
The best artists will thrive, I am not so sure about the rest. It seems very likely that the simple graphic jobs will be taken over by AI.
DrewADesign 4y ago
I'd love to believe this was true but I absolutely can't imagine that it is. If the art doesn't need to be created by a person, which is what people are shooting for, here, the only artist you'd need is an art director. The world simply doesn't need a zillion art directors. Until we figure out how to treat people as intrinsically worthwhile and not not punish them for being made redundant by automation, it will always be a catastrophe for everyone targeted. It was true for auto manufacturing, it will be true for artists, and it will be true for workaday software developers. Just the way it is.
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- kukx 4y ago
  Actually we may need a lot more "art directors" than we have today, especially if they are to direct AI. At least temporarily, until they get AIed as well.
- rjknight 4y ago
  This really wasn't true for earlier developments like Photoshop, though. People assumed that it would remove the need for specialist graphic designers, but in reality it made graphic designers much more productive and drove the average standard of graphic design much higher. The result was that the increase in demand for graphic design matched or even exceeded the increase in supply.
  - DrewADesign 4y ago
    Removing creation from the process is much different than making new versions of existing tools as photoshop did.
  - Closi 4y ago
    I think this is an optimistic take - one technology can improve productivity and drive an industry, while the next technology can turn that same industry on it's head. Take for example the traditional 'Travel Agent' job - a role which was initially revolutionised by computing technologies such as SABRE and digital hotel reservations (improving profits and productivity while lowering cost!). Then the next technology came along, and over a period of 20 years was completely absorbed by Booking.com, AirBnB and SkyScanner (who could offer a more convenient service with a tiny fraction of the staff). Technologies help you become more productive, until they rewrite the market and make you redundant.
    - snowpid 4y ago
      this is a bad example. Travel Agents do exist. It just you dont have to go to one.
      - Closi 4y ago
        I don't think so. The role of 'travel agent' as it existed back in the 1980's is almost entirely obsolete in 2022, replaced by online travel agencies. There were 124,000 'travel agent' jobs in the USA in 2000 which halved to 64,000 by 2012. Now look inside a modern 'travel agency' and you won't find many 'travel agents' - you will find more programmers, finance teams, customer service clerks... Travel agencies no longer have many travel agents. The role of 'bank assistant' as it existed back in the 1980's is going obsolete, replaced by ATM's and online banking. Although the concept of 'banking assistance' still exists online, it's mostly self-service and developing this is hardly the same role. Banking assistance no longer requires banking assistants. The role of 'photographer' as it exists in the 2022's may be almost entirely obsolete in 2050, replaced by ???. Will 'professional-level' photography still need photographers?
- ericmcer 4y ago
  I feel like this is closer to cloud computing services than an automated factory, and cloud computing did not decrease the number of jobs for devs. This post shows you still need a pretty high level of skill to convert the results of a prompt into a workable 3d model. It just means people who are mid level graphic artists need to add to their skillset. The same thing happened to the devs whose only skill was slapping together some HTML/CSS & JS, they had to get better or become irrelevant.
  - Beaver117 4y ago
    But cloud computing did basically eliminate the sysadmin role. They were forced to learn tons of new skills to become "site reliability engineers" instead.
- 9530jh9054ven 4y ago
  >Until we figure out how to treat people as intrinsically worthwhile and not not punish them for being made redundant by automation, it will always be a catastrophe for everyone targeted. Doesn't that beg the question if a person is intrinsically worthwhile? From where I sit, a person's worth is usually measured by others first and foremost, specifically by what they provide for them. Either in the rational economic (providing a good or service) or the irrational emotional value (enjoyment of their presence). I can't honestly say that someone is going to always be able to provide the latter value. I'm someone that inherently can't provide any emotional value to someone else, being how much of an incel I resemble (I'm unable be a friend to anyone, and I'm not fond of my family). Thus my only worth to others is what economic value that I can provide, and my... issues will be tolerated for that. Take away that my economic capability, then what good is someone like me then? It's probably just my long winded way of saying... at least to me, figuring out how to treat people as intrinsically worthwhile won't happen unless people believe other people are intrinsically worthwhile. And I don't foresee that ever happening.
  - DrewADesign 4y ago
    Read Kant
  - kukx 4y ago
    Hold on, Christianity states that everyone is intrinsically valuable, that everyone is made in the image of God and we are children of God. At least it is my understanding.
    - voxl 4y ago
      It's unfortunate that God doesn't exist and Christianity is just modern mythology then.
      - mensetmanusman 4y ago
        It’s a common misconception in Christianity that God is just a ‘being among beings’. It’s more akin to the belief in existence itself, which is itself an absurdity once you think about it enough :) Some people may protest that they are part of reality though… https://nwcatholic.org/voices/bishop-robert-barron/who-god-is-and-is-not https://nwcatholic.org/voices/bishop-robert-barron/who-god-i...
- williamcotton 4y ago
  The art is being created by a person. You cannot do what OP did and it’s not just because you don’t know Blender. It’s also because they are a talented visual artist to begin with. They have sensibilities that you don’t and will make better decisions while using tools like this.
kcb 4y ago
AI image modification is already a thing. If the AI can generate the image then surely it can make updates to it.
williamcotton 4y ago
Think about how difficult it is for a visual artist to scale their productivity when using paints and a canvas, compared to a Wacom, and now compared to a tool like this. They might be able to keep up with the ownership class at this rate!
nazka 4y ago
Yes but by artists you mean (artists - 2d artists). Because as a 2d artist that's gonna hurt. And with these models sucking all the current total creativity, and styles, with a world where this is going to hit them, the overall new creativity and art created will decrease and AI copying previous styles and arts will start and increase. And then maybe modeling will take a hit too? I do think it's cool thought. But ya I am not that happy with what I was saying. Could still be a good thing overall?? Who knows.
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ketzo 4y ago

I think this is a good and optimistic take, but you have to imagine AI art will only get better from here — how long until it closes the loop?

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kukx 4y ago

The best artists will thrive, I am not so sure about the rest. It seems very likely that the simple graphic jobs will be taken over by AI.

DrewADesign 4y ago

I'd love to believe this was true but I absolutely can't imagine that it is. If the art doesn't need to be created by a person, which is what people are shooting for, here, the only artist you'd need is an art director. The world simply doesn't need a zillion art directors. Until we figure out how to treat people as intrinsically worthwhile and not not punish them for being made redundant by automation, it will always be a catastrophe for everyone targeted. It was true for auto manufacturing, it will be true for artists, and it will be true for workaday software developers. Just the way it is.

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kukx 4y ago
Actually we may need a lot more "art directors" than we have today, especially if they are to direct AI. At least temporarily, until they get AIed as well.
rjknight 4y ago
This really wasn't true for earlier developments like Photoshop, though. People assumed that it would remove the need for specialist graphic designers, but in reality it made graphic designers much more productive and drove the average standard of graphic design much higher. The result was that the increase in demand for graphic design matched or even exceeded the increase in supply.
- DrewADesign 4y ago
  Removing creation from the process is much different than making new versions of existing tools as photoshop did.
- Closi 4y ago
  I think this is an optimistic take - one technology can improve productivity and drive an industry, while the next technology can turn that same industry on it's head. Take for example the traditional 'Travel Agent' job - a role which was initially revolutionised by computing technologies such as SABRE and digital hotel reservations (improving profits and productivity while lowering cost!). Then the next technology came along, and over a period of 20 years was completely absorbed by Booking.com, AirBnB and SkyScanner (who could offer a more convenient service with a tiny fraction of the staff). Technologies help you become more productive, until they rewrite the market and make you redundant.
  - snowpid 4y ago
    this is a bad example. Travel Agents do exist. It just you dont have to go to one.
    - Closi 4y ago
      I don't think so. The role of 'travel agent' as it existed back in the 1980's is almost entirely obsolete in 2022, replaced by online travel agencies. There were 124,000 'travel agent' jobs in the USA in 2000 which halved to 64,000 by 2012. Now look inside a modern 'travel agency' and you won't find many 'travel agents' - you will find more programmers, finance teams, customer service clerks... Travel agencies no longer have many travel agents. The role of 'bank assistant' as it existed back in the 1980's is going obsolete, replaced by ATM's and online banking. Although the concept of 'banking assistance' still exists online, it's mostly self-service and developing this is hardly the same role. Banking assistance no longer requires banking assistants. The role of 'photographer' as it exists in the 2022's may be almost entirely obsolete in 2050, replaced by ???. Will 'professional-level' photography still need photographers?
ericmcer 4y ago
I feel like this is closer to cloud computing services than an automated factory, and cloud computing did not decrease the number of jobs for devs. This post shows you still need a pretty high level of skill to convert the results of a prompt into a workable 3d model. It just means people who are mid level graphic artists need to add to their skillset. The same thing happened to the devs whose only skill was slapping together some HTML/CSS & JS, they had to get better or become irrelevant.
- Beaver117 4y ago
  But cloud computing did basically eliminate the sysadmin role. They were forced to learn tons of new skills to become "site reliability engineers" instead.
9530jh9054ven 4y ago
>Until we figure out how to treat people as intrinsically worthwhile and not not punish them for being made redundant by automation, it will always be a catastrophe for everyone targeted. Doesn't that beg the question if a person is intrinsically worthwhile? From where I sit, a person's worth is usually measured by others first and foremost, specifically by what they provide for them. Either in the rational economic (providing a good or service) or the irrational emotional value (enjoyment of their presence). I can't honestly say that someone is going to always be able to provide the latter value. I'm someone that inherently can't provide any emotional value to someone else, being how much of an incel I resemble (I'm unable be a friend to anyone, and I'm not fond of my family). Thus my only worth to others is what economic value that I can provide, and my... issues will be tolerated for that. Take away that my economic capability, then what good is someone like me then? It's probably just my long winded way of saying... at least to me, figuring out how to treat people as intrinsically worthwhile won't happen unless people believe other people are intrinsically worthwhile. And I don't foresee that ever happening.
- DrewADesign 4y ago
  Read Kant
- kukx 4y ago
  Hold on, Christianity states that everyone is intrinsically valuable, that everyone is made in the image of God and we are children of God. At least it is my understanding.
  - voxl 4y ago
    It's unfortunate that God doesn't exist and Christianity is just modern mythology then.
    - mensetmanusman 4y ago
      It’s a common misconception in Christianity that God is just a ‘being among beings’. It’s more akin to the belief in existence itself, which is itself an absurdity once you think about it enough :) Some people may protest that they are part of reality though… https://nwcatholic.org/voices/bishop-robert-barron/who-god-is-and-is-not https://nwcatholic.org/voices/bishop-robert-barron/who-god-i...
williamcotton 4y ago
The art is being created by a person. You cannot do what OP did and it’s not just because you don’t know Blender. It’s also because they are a talented visual artist to begin with. They have sensibilities that you don’t and will make better decisions while using tools like this.

kcb 4y ago

AI image modification is already a thing. If the AI can generate the image then surely it can make updates to it.

williamcotton 4y ago

Think about how difficult it is for a visual artist to scale their productivity when using paints and a canvas, compared to a Wacom, and now compared to a tool like this. They might be able to keep up with the ownership class at this rate!

nazka 4y ago

Yes but by artists you mean (artists - 2d artists). Because as a 2d artist that's gonna hurt. And with these models sucking all the current total creativity, and styles, with a world where this is going to hit them, the overall new creativity and art created will decrease and AI copying previous styles and arts will start and increase. And then maybe modeling will take a hit too? I do think it's cool thought. But ya I am not that happy with what I was saying. Could still be a good thing overall?? Who knows.

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