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Big money is not shorting it because there's no way to short it at scale. There are no broker that will survive to close the short, and you need a broker to sh

Big money is not shorting it because there's no way to short it at scale. There are no broker that will survive to close the short, and you need a broker to short.

OJFord 4y ago
That's the same thing GP is saying - nobody reliable, not 'in the game', wants to take the other side of the trade. (Presumably there is a price at which they do, but also at which nobody's remained interested.)
- Aperocky 4y ago
  want vs reality. In fact, I would want to bet against USDT with a reasonable proportion of my savings, but there are no safe way to ensure such a contract will be honored in the case that it actually went to 0.
dghlsakjg 4y ago
USDT is super interesting since it doesn't behave like a normal market priced asset. You know it won't ever go up in value, and you know that if it goes down, it goes down to 0 VERY QUICKLY, with maybe a chance of a claim against unverified assets that might pay out after years of litigation.
- alienalp 4y ago
  In past USDT depeg to around 0.9$ for short time. This is very unlikely to be the case since even if they are insolvent they have a reserve. You probably think that way because of LUNA crash which was backed by almost nothing. For example in defi stablecoins with issues do not depeg to zero or anywhere close to zero if they are still backed to some extent.
  - dghlsakjg 4y ago
    Our opinions differ in that you trust Tether's reserve. I don't. It has been more than 5 years since they were audited. By their own admission, they have 10 billion of their 66 billion dollars in unsecured loans and "other investments". An org whose entire raison d' etre is to hold money should be pretty open to outside audits. It should actually be a pretty easy audit. Why have they been foot-dragging so long?
    - alienalp 4y ago
      I didn't said i trust Tether's reserves. However even if with a hole they have a reserve at the end.

Big money is not shorting it because there's no way to short it at scale. There are no broker that will survive to close the short, and you need a broker to short.

OJFord 4y ago

That's the same thing GP is saying - nobody reliable, not 'in the game', wants to take the other side of the trade. (Presumably there is a price at which they do, but also at which nobody's remained interested.)

Aperocky 4y ago
want vs reality. In fact, I would want to bet against USDT with a reasonable proportion of my savings, but there are no safe way to ensure such a contract will be honored in the case that it actually went to 0.

dghlsakjg 4y ago

USDT is super interesting since it doesn't behave like a normal market priced asset. You know it won't ever go up in value, and you know that if it goes down, it goes down to 0 VERY QUICKLY, with maybe a chance of a claim against unverified assets that might pay out after years of litigation.

alienalp 4y ago
In past USDT depeg to around 0.9$ for short time. This is very unlikely to be the case since even if they are insolvent they have a reserve. You probably think that way because of LUNA crash which was backed by almost nothing. For example in defi stablecoins with issues do not depeg to zero or anywhere close to zero if they are still backed to some extent.
- dghlsakjg 4y ago
  Our opinions differ in that you trust Tether's reserve. I don't. It has been more than 5 years since they were audited. By their own admission, they have 10 billion of their 66 billion dollars in unsecured loans and "other investments". An org whose entire raison d' etre is to hold money should be pretty open to outside audits. It should actually be a pretty easy audit. Why have they been foot-dragging so long?
  - alienalp 4y ago
    I didn't said i trust Tether's reserves. However even if with a hole they have a reserve at the end.