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> institutions act outraged over Florida's "don't say gay" bill Were you upset of the 'don't say gay bill'? It's an example, not just of a single school acting

> institutions act outraged over Florida's "don't say gay" bill Were you upset of the 'don't say gay bill'? It's an example, not just of a single school acting to restrict academic freedom and freedom of expression in general, but the actual government enforcing this on ALL schools. That should be enraging to anyone who cares about freedom. A elementary school teacher was fired not too long ago for reading 'A need a new butt', because Christians found it offensive. I think the decision to fire this guy was wrong, but this sort of action is hardly the sole domain of the 'left', the 'right' is doing plenty of censorship in schools all by itself.

leeroyjenkins11 4y ago
The bill in Florida was perfectly reasonable. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age- appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students according to state standards. 3rd grade classrooms are not places of intellectual freedom. They are places of indoctrination. A third grader does not have academic freedom, there is no countervailing point in the classroom. It is completely different than a university setting. According to the t xt of the bill, I can't think of any good reason for a teacher to want to violate the law unless they want to push their own agenda onto the children. And that should not happen in a public school.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
  Why can't the banning depictions of mohammad also be 'perfectly reasonable' because it university classrooms are not places of intellectual freedom, they are places of indoctrination. I can't think of any good reason for a teacher to want to violate this policy unless they want to push their own agenda onto the students. See how generic your defense is? It can be used for anything you disagree with. 'I need a new butt', was a book on the schools reading list. Was firing that teacher perfectly reasonable also? Was a funny book about butts indoctrination? Critical race theory is being muzzled at the university level by the government in florida. Are you angry about that overreach by state?
  - yucky 4y ago
    > Critical race theory is being muzzled at the university level by the government in florida. Are you angry about that overreach by state? Critical race theory needs to be treated the same as other pro-discrimination ideologies. Either they're all ok or none are ok. Picking and choosing one type of racial discrimination to support is in fact racist. After all, Ibram X. Kendi who is generally regarded as the foremost proponent of Critical Race Theory argued in his book How to Be an Antiracist that, “The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” This is a fundamental position of Critical Race teachings. Many would argue it's reasonable for parents to not want this sort of "good racial discrimination" being taught to their kids.
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
      Well then I don't get it. Putting up depictions of Mohammad can easily be viewed as inflammatory discrimination against Muslims, but that's ok? Again, I don't think this teacher should have been fired. But the arguments against it in these comments seem hypocritical when support is given to other types of censorship only because they happen to disagree with what was being suppressed.
      - yucky 4y ago
        > Well then I don't get it. Putting up depictions of Mohammad can easily be viewed as inflammatory discrimination against Muslims, but that's ok? Although it was unnecessarily inflammatory in my opinion, it isn't a universal belief among Muslims that Mohammad can't be depicted and it certainly isn't a core tenet of Islam. If anything, one would argue that depictions of Mohammad should be treated the same as depictions of Jesus, Moses etc.
        Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
        Ps, side question. How do you make the quoted part of the comment come out in a different font like that?
wonderwonder 4y ago
Honestly no, elementary thru highschool is not the same as intellectual free wheeling college. Lower levels are there to teach you the basics needed to survive they are not there to present sexual ideas to kids and challenge social norms. Parents are free to educate their kids outside of school how they want. I'm fine with elementary school kids not learning about homosexuality and transexuality. I actually voted Republican for the first time in my life to support this bill.

leeroyjenkins11 4y ago

The bill in Florida was perfectly reasonable. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age- appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students according to state standards. 3rd grade classrooms are not places of intellectual freedom. They are places of indoctrination. A third grader does not have academic freedom, there is no countervailing point in the classroom. It is completely different than a university setting. According to the t xt of the bill, I can't think of any good reason for a teacher to want to violate the law unless they want to push their own agenda onto the children. And that should not happen in a public school.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
Why can't the banning depictions of mohammad also be 'perfectly reasonable' because it university classrooms are not places of intellectual freedom, they are places of indoctrination. I can't think of any good reason for a teacher to want to violate this policy unless they want to push their own agenda onto the students. See how generic your defense is? It can be used for anything you disagree with. 'I need a new butt', was a book on the schools reading list. Was firing that teacher perfectly reasonable also? Was a funny book about butts indoctrination? Critical race theory is being muzzled at the university level by the government in florida. Are you angry about that overreach by state?
- yucky 4y ago
  > Critical race theory is being muzzled at the university level by the government in florida. Are you angry about that overreach by state? Critical race theory needs to be treated the same as other pro-discrimination ideologies. Either they're all ok or none are ok. Picking and choosing one type of racial discrimination to support is in fact racist. After all, Ibram X. Kendi who is generally regarded as the foremost proponent of Critical Race Theory argued in his book How to Be an Antiracist that, “The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” This is a fundamental position of Critical Race teachings. Many would argue it's reasonable for parents to not want this sort of "good racial discrimination" being taught to their kids.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
    Well then I don't get it. Putting up depictions of Mohammad can easily be viewed as inflammatory discrimination against Muslims, but that's ok? Again, I don't think this teacher should have been fired. But the arguments against it in these comments seem hypocritical when support is given to other types of censorship only because they happen to disagree with what was being suppressed.
    - yucky 4y ago
      > Well then I don't get it. Putting up depictions of Mohammad can easily be viewed as inflammatory discrimination against Muslims, but that's ok? Although it was unnecessarily inflammatory in my opinion, it isn't a universal belief among Muslims that Mohammad can't be depicted and it certainly isn't a core tenet of Islam. If anything, one would argue that depictions of Mohammad should be treated the same as depictions of Jesus, Moses etc.
      - Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
        Ps, side question. How do you make the quoted part of the comment come out in a different font like that?

wonderwonder 4y ago

Honestly no, elementary thru highschool is not the same as intellectual free wheeling college. Lower levels are there to teach you the basics needed to survive they are not there to present sexual ideas to kids and challenge social norms. Parents are free to educate their kids outside of school how they want. I'm fine with elementary school kids not learning about homosexuality and transexuality. I actually voted Republican for the first time in my life to support this bill.