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I'm not alt-right and I'm not white and I'm not religious. I agree completely with that view.

by Sakos 4y ago

krainboltgreene 4y ago
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- piaste 4y ago
  Is it? When non-puppy-kicking people are willing to publicly say "I don't kick puppies, but I agree with the puppy kickers' view that the sky is blue", the correct reaction is not to reevaluate puppy kicking (much less trying to subtly taint those people as crypto-internalized-puppy-dislikers). The correct reaction is to look up.
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    To be clear, the sentiment that is alt-right is > You are free to insult white people, Christianity, and non transexual heterosexual men in this country but everyone else is a protected class. White, cis, hetero, Christian, men as a class are some of the most protected and powerful people in this country. POTUS, Supreme Court Chief Justice, Speaker of the House Representatives, Senate Majority Leader, Attorney General, Director of FBI... all white, all men, all straight, all cis, all but one Christian. All state governors are currently white. This is not to say that a white, cis, hetero, Christian man cannot face hardship or discrimination. But to pretend such people as a class aren't systematically protected in our society, when this class sits on top of most power structures in society, serves to dilute the entire idea of anti-discrimination, which honestly seems to be much of the point in making such claims.
    - yucky 4y ago
      This is a logical fallacy though. Looking at the current makeup of a group doesn't prove systemic discrimination. Look at the NBA for instance, would we assume there are rules favoring black players which would explain their over-representation? It's a common fallacy where people assume equal inputs, so if the output doesn't match something must be amiss. But the assumption was incorrect to begin with. Not everybody is equal, and different demographic cohorts may in fact over/under perform others for any number of reasons.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Sometimes even the worst people have a point. Ideas can't be thrown out just because they happen to be shared by bad people. It's the intellectual form of judging a book by its cover. It's the reason political echo chambers get so ridiculous and the country is so divided. An idea is just an idea and should be judged on it's own merits.
  - krainboltgreene 4y ago
    But they don't have a good point, so they're just wrong and also agreeing with a core pillar of white supremacist rhetoric. What a hill to publicly die on.

I'm not alt-right and I'm not white and I'm not religious. I agree completely with that view.

by Sakos 4y ago

I'm not alt-right and I'm not white and I'm not religious. I agree completely with that view.

krainboltgreene 4y ago

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piaste 4y ago
Is it? When non-puppy-kicking people are willing to publicly say "I don't kick puppies, but I agree with the puppy kickers' view that the sky is blue", the correct reaction is not to reevaluate puppy kicking (much less trying to subtly taint those people as crypto-internalized-puppy-dislikers). The correct reaction is to look up.
- ModernMech 4y ago
  To be clear, the sentiment that is alt-right is > You are free to insult white people, Christianity, and non transexual heterosexual men in this country but everyone else is a protected class. White, cis, hetero, Christian, men as a class are some of the most protected and powerful people in this country. POTUS, Supreme Court Chief Justice, Speaker of the House Representatives, Senate Majority Leader, Attorney General, Director of FBI... all white, all men, all straight, all cis, all but one Christian. All state governors are currently white. This is not to say that a white, cis, hetero, Christian man cannot face hardship or discrimination. But to pretend such people as a class aren't systematically protected in our society, when this class sits on top of most power structures in society, serves to dilute the entire idea of anti-discrimination, which honestly seems to be much of the point in making such claims.
  - yucky 4y ago
    This is a logical fallacy though. Looking at the current makeup of a group doesn't prove systemic discrimination. Look at the NBA for instance, would we assume there are rules favoring black players which would explain their over-representation? It's a common fallacy where people assume equal inputs, so if the output doesn't match something must be amiss. But the assumption was incorrect to begin with. Not everybody is equal, and different demographic cohorts may in fact over/under perform others for any number of reasons.
wonderwonder 4y ago
Sometimes even the worst people have a point. Ideas can't be thrown out just because they happen to be shared by bad people. It's the intellectual form of judging a book by its cover. It's the reason political echo chambers get so ridiculous and the country is so divided. An idea is just an idea and should be judged on it's own merits.
- krainboltgreene 4y ago
  But they don't have a good point, so they're just wrong and also agreeing with a core pillar of white supremacist rhetoric. What a hill to publicly die on.