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Islam isn’t a country. It’s an ideology that can be practiced by anyone.
by morby 4y ago
Islam isn’t a country. It’s an ideology that can be practiced by anyone.
- NicoJuicy 4y agoWe have separation of religion for a lot of things. Schools should be too ( only partial now)
- morby 4y agoThis isn’t about separating religion from school. It’s about having sensitivities for peoples way of life. There are a lot of things you wouldn’t be able to get away with outside of depicting Muhammad in art. And none of them related to Muslims.
- mruniverse 4y agoHow sensitive are Muslims to other peoples way of life?
- DoctorOW 4y agoIt depends from person to person. Anyone I've met who is Muslim seem incredibly tolerant to me.
- mruniverse 4y agoTolerant enough to support an art history professor who showed an image depicting Muhammad?
- morby 4y agoThe ones I know would be, yes. They’d also think it’s odd some people feel the existential need to do it.
- mruniverse 4y agoAs long as it's only thinking people odd. Not sure if the professor felt existential about it but she said: “I am showing you this image for a reason. And that is that there is this common thinking that Islam completely forbids, outright, any figurative depictions or any depictions of holy personages. While many Islamic cultures do strongly frown on this practice, I would like to remind you there is no one, monothetic Islamic culture,” https://hamlineoracle.com/10750/news/who-belongs/ https://hamlineoracle.com/10750/news/who-belongs/
- NicoJuicy 4y agoBut this case is exactly by people who are not tolerant.
- DoctorOW 4y ago*person. One student complained and that's the reason the original comment advocated deportation. Let's say that we were able to find one person of Christian faith who is intolerant, what country should Christians return to? Does this include a lack of religious beliefs? Where do we send anyone who fails to believe in God, much in the same way as one other person on the planet?
- NicoJuicy 4y agoI can show you some places :)
- DoctorOW 4y agoGo for it. Where do you feel we should deport people for the crime of being atheist?
- NicoJuicy 4y agoThere no crime for being an atheist or Muslim. Some cultures are just more violent ( eg. Look at fifa world cup and marocco people through Europe). Are you denying that they are more violent?
- qsort 4y agoJust one more reason why we shouldn't care. A person's freedom to practice Islam does not imply an obligation from me to give any remote fuck.
- crabkin 4y agoNope no obligation, but just as we say for freedom of speech in some other context, like for instance, say you were to use a pejorative term to a person it may apply to, you may not have the "obligation to give any remote fuck" about how they feel about it, likewise that doesn't prevent you from getting punched in the face or being perceived by others as lacking tact/self-awareness.
- narag 4y agopunched in the face or being perceived... "or"
- crabkin 4y agodon't understand your comment. maybe I should have put and/or. downvoted because I go against the grain here, clearly though, everyone must concede you don't live in a vacuum and social/biological dynamics do not bow down to your personal cultural ones. if you've never been punched in the face before I encourage you try your very best to and only then can I take what you say on these sorts of matters seriously.
- ssth 4y ago> does not imply an obligation from me to give any remote fuck I don't think this attitude suitable in the diverse community where there are different ethnics or religons. People should care what the other find things unconfortable and should be aware that what you think acceptable is may not so for the others. Of course if you mean let them do their own things and you do not mean offense or insult them, I thank you for your understanding. Edit: to clarify what I mean.
- posterboy 4y ago
- posterboy 4y agoIt's not even an ideology if you look at it that way but it is a state religion by design, that has various implementations depending on who's to benefit. It prescribes universal obligations which they have in common. Some other dogmas are subject to interpretation. So the question needs to be cast in another light, sure. It's a hard problem that isn't solved by calling on an ideology.
- morby 4y agoThis comment makes little sense, does not negate the fact Islam is an ideology, and does nothing to contribute to this discussion.
- posterboy 4y agoSomething that everyone can practice has to have a few simple rules that everyone can follow. That doesn't make it an ideology. It is a complex set of intervowen systems that are carried in no small part at the state level, communicated by language which is in fact a very complex system. That's an ideology insofar as the word may be related to idioma, as it were.