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Weird Laptops are Coming – CES 2023

21 points by xbmcuser 4y ago

mmusc 4y ago
That 2 screen yoga looks interesting. You get a lot of desktop space and lots of configuration options.
- Krisjohn 4y ago
  Dropping the wireless keyboard onto the "bottom" and having the remaining accessible screen turn into a touchpad was pretty cool.
hestefisk 4y ago
The e-ink display on the laptop is quite cool. I could use that for writing simple notes and likely save a ton of battery.
- esperent 4y ago
  I wonder how the latency is? I've been resisting buying an eink notebook because I think the best latency you can get now is around 30ms, which combined with the distance between pen tip and screen will give quite a visible delay. I guess it's personal how annoying that would be, but for myself I'm waiting for sub 16ms delay.
  - defrost 4y ago
    12 Hz refresh rate on the eInk display. ( So ~ 80ms or so refresh ) COLOUR eInk BTW - not just black and white | shades of grey!
    - hestefisk 4y ago
      It’s enough for reading books… but might be too hard for terminal editing?
      - defrost 4y ago
        The "weird laptop" has a two sided screen panel - regular high res | high refresh thin film screen on one side that eats battery life - the flip side is the low power low refresh ePaper screen for reading documents, etc. It's worth pointing out, I guess, the existence of heavy computer users that aren't programmers or gamers .. lawyers, doctors, engineers, clerks, etc that spend the bulk of their screen time viewing documents | records | etc. What will be interesting is adoption and market penetration - cute as a concept, but will it sell?
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esperent 4y ago
In case you don't want to watch the video, here's the "weird" laptops: 1. Laptop with rotatable display, eink one side, oled the other. This one actually qualifies as "weird" I guess. 2. Laptop with a foldable display 3. Laptop with two displays instead of a keyboard. Looks pretty good actually, I would consider it as a mobile workstation if the specs are good enough. And some other totally normal laptops.
- derac 4y ago
  I'll bet the battery life is terrible with two screens, it would be amazing for working from a plug or big external battery though. The eink one seems very practical to me.
  - phil294 4y ago
    https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-twist-e-ink-oled-laptop https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-... says: "Just don’t expect Kindle battery life out of a laptop like this since you’ve got the overhead of running Windows on its 13th Gen Intel processor (and up to 16GB of RAM and 1TB of PCIe Gen 4 storage) rather than a simple e-reader chip. Lenovo’s estimating up to 21 hours of battery life from its 56Wh battery using the E Ink screen, and it isn’t providing context about what kind of content can run for 21 hours at a time."
- phil294 4y ago
  Can we not just finally have a normal, boring, standard eink laptop? I've been waiting years for this, but all we got are broken promises, over-engineered weirdnesses like this one and dozens of tablets. I might buy this rotatable one just for that purpose, even though I don't care for the OLED side...
  - wyre 4y ago
    An e-ink laptop would not be consumer friendly due to einks low refresh rate unless it was running a significant amount of custom software and the demand wouldn’t be there for a business to make it worth it. I also love eink. Maybe if there was a FOSS OS built around eink?
jrumbut 4y ago
It took more than a minute tell me that there's a laptop with both an OLED display and an e-ink display. Is there a writeup of these laptops somewhere? I just don't have the patience for video.
nullc 4y ago
I just want an updated x60. No stupid trackpad wasting space.

21 points by xbmcuser 4y ago

mmusc 4y ago

That 2 screen yoga looks interesting. You get a lot of desktop space and lots of configuration options.

Krisjohn 4y ago
Dropping the wireless keyboard onto the "bottom" and having the remaining accessible screen turn into a touchpad was pretty cool.

hestefisk 4y ago

The e-ink display on the laptop is quite cool. I could use that for writing simple notes and likely save a ton of battery.

esperent 4y ago
I wonder how the latency is? I've been resisting buying an eink notebook because I think the best latency you can get now is around 30ms, which combined with the distance between pen tip and screen will give quite a visible delay. I guess it's personal how annoying that would be, but for myself I'm waiting for sub 16ms delay.
- defrost 4y ago
  12 Hz refresh rate on the eInk display. ( So ~ 80ms or so refresh ) COLOUR eInk BTW - not just black and white | shades of grey!
  - hestefisk 4y ago
    It’s enough for reading books… but might be too hard for terminal editing?
    - defrost 4y ago
      The "weird laptop" has a two sided screen panel - regular high res | high refresh thin film screen on one side that eats battery life - the flip side is the low power low refresh ePaper screen for reading documents, etc. It's worth pointing out, I guess, the existence of heavy computer users that aren't programmers or gamers .. lawyers, doctors, engineers, clerks, etc that spend the bulk of their screen time viewing documents | records | etc. What will be interesting is adoption and market penetration - cute as a concept, but will it sell?

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esperent 4y ago

In case you don't want to watch the video, here's the "weird" laptops: 1. Laptop with rotatable display, eink one side, oled the other. This one actually qualifies as "weird" I guess. 2. Laptop with a foldable display 3. Laptop with two displays instead of a keyboard. Looks pretty good actually, I would consider it as a mobile workstation if the specs are good enough. And some other totally normal laptops.

derac 4y ago
I'll bet the battery life is terrible with two screens, it would be amazing for working from a plug or big external battery though. The eink one seems very practical to me.
- phil294 4y ago
  https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-plus-twist-e-ink-oled-laptop https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/5/23541379/lenovo-thinkbook-... says: "Just don’t expect Kindle battery life out of a laptop like this since you’ve got the overhead of running Windows on its 13th Gen Intel processor (and up to 16GB of RAM and 1TB of PCIe Gen 4 storage) rather than a simple e-reader chip. Lenovo’s estimating up to 21 hours of battery life from its 56Wh battery using the E Ink screen, and it isn’t providing context about what kind of content can run for 21 hours at a time."
phil294 4y ago
Can we not just finally have a normal, boring, standard eink laptop? I've been waiting years for this, but all we got are broken promises, over-engineered weirdnesses like this one and dozens of tablets. I might buy this rotatable one just for that purpose, even though I don't care for the OLED side...
- wyre 4y ago
  An e-ink laptop would not be consumer friendly due to einks low refresh rate unless it was running a significant amount of custom software and the demand wouldn’t be there for a business to make it worth it. I also love eink. Maybe if there was a FOSS OS built around eink?

jrumbut 4y ago

It took more than a minute tell me that there's a laptop with both an OLED display and an e-ink display. Is there a writeup of these laptops somewhere? I just don't have the patience for video.

nullc 4y ago

I just want an updated x60. No stupid trackpad wasting space.