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Time to get that EU passport kids.

InCityDreams 4y ago
Please don't. It's....er....full of terrorists here, portions are only half, there's a war 24 hours drive away, our politicians are not our representatives [apparently], we speak different languages and even dialects, clothing sizes are really fucked up - your XXXL might be hard to find - amazon is delivered by disabled people only, one part of Europe uses different money and a new part of Europe just got the same money as the rest of us, putting a big flag of 'your' country outside your house is seen as a bit odd (dickmove) unless the world cup is on, 'world' usually means just that when it comes to sports, our paper money denominations are different sizes so we can't fuck over the blind, we use the metric system (mostly), Piers Morgan and John Oliver come from over here, we have kings and queens -still, no 2nd amendment rights, pay is shit and we're all communists because a doctor will treat you after a more urgent case even with a gold AE card, but you don't have to pay much in the end so that's communism, too. In Holland, if you don't have a bicycle they fine you, in Finland you have to buy moose-knuckle-fish and in Spain if you're awake you absolutely have to report to work at least once a month unless you're french and then you can just set fire to it, unless you're italian and then everything is debatable, anyway. Until it comes to the Germans. Their vehicles, though technically 'superior', are indicator-free and, much like an actual Panzer, are free to go where they want, unless an Audi is involved. No-one cares for VW anymore, which is ironic, but real Europeans don't really get irony, like yourselves oh crap now I'm starting to sell the damn place. Er.....no guns!
- deepsun 4y ago
  No guns? How are you gonna defend your constitution against a treasonous dictator? Oh I see, Belarusian friend tells me you just get tortured and flee to another country by thousands then.
  - mopsi 4y ago
    That's nothing more than a fantasy, it's not 18th century anymore with a group farmers being qualitatively not too far from a military. If you escalate from peaceful protests to armed conflict, then a modern military will win over a bunch of farmers on any given day, provided that rules of engagement are loose enough. What good is your AR-15 covered in patriotic Eagle stickers against A-10 Thunderbolt?
    - deepsun 4y ago
      Actually, I have a little experience on that. The main thing is that it's pretty hard to convince "modern military" to kill their own families or neighbors. So, in case like Belarus, if you order your military to fight like 90% of population, you have very high risk of them turning the arms the other way. But if those 90% of population can be silenced by a very small filtered force (personal guards, but better call them "riot police"), and keep the real "military" in barracks fed by propaganda 24/7, preventing talking to people -- then they would learn the truth anyway, but when it's too late, when all the leaders are already dead/jailed/exiled. The whole point of legitimacy rests on public approval. What approval are we talking about if it needs "A-10 Thunderbolt" against your own people. If an american city, say, Portland, would start armed resistance, no President would ever order airstrikes against it, that would be the last day of their presidency. But they won't start it, because the whole system already accommodates Portland wishes into non-violent resolution. A side note: Napoleon military genius rests a lot on the La Grande Armée, the largest army by far in Europe. But why other countries didn't have their own armies of the same size? Because only democracy can keep such a big army to turn the arms against its government, otherwise at some point giant army wishes may not align with its government (although it may take time of course). Democracy at least persuades people that they have a voice. So, in some sense, the Napoleonic wars made "democracy -> large army size -> democratic neighbors" transition. Going back to Belarus example, if the "riot police" would have to deal with armed protestors, they would have it like million times harder, and I'm not sure of the outcome.

Please don't. It's....er....full of terrorists here, portions are only half, there's a war 24 hours drive away, our politicians are not our representatives [apparently], we speak different languages and even dialects, clothing sizes are really fucked up - your XXXL might be hard to find - amazon is delivered by disabled people only, one part of Europe uses different money and a new part of Europe just got the same money as the rest of us, putting a big flag of 'your' country outside your house is seen as a bit odd (dickmove) unless the world cup is on, 'world' usually means just that when it comes to sports, our paper money denominations are different sizes so we can't fuck over the blind, we use the metric system (mostly), Piers Morgan and John Oliver come from over here, we have kings and queens -still, no 2nd amendment rights, pay is shit and we're all communists because a doctor will treat you after a more urgent case even with a gold AE card, but you don't have to pay much in the end so that's communism, too. In Holland, if you don't have a bicycle they fine you, in Finland you have to buy moose-knuckle-fish and in Spain if you're awake you absolutely have to report to work at least once a month unless you're french and then you can just set fire to it, unless you're italian and then everything is debatable, anyway. Until it comes to the Germans. Their vehicles, though technically 'superior', are indicator-free and, much like an actual Panzer, are free to go where they want, unless an Audi is involved. No-one cares for VW anymore, which is ironic, but real Europeans don't really get irony, like yourselves oh crap now I'm starting to sell the damn place. Er.....no guns!

deepsun 4y ago
No guns? How are you gonna defend your constitution against a treasonous dictator? Oh I see, Belarusian friend tells me you just get tortured and flee to another country by thousands then.
- mopsi 4y ago
  That's nothing more than a fantasy, it's not 18th century anymore with a group farmers being qualitatively not too far from a military. If you escalate from peaceful protests to armed conflict, then a modern military will win over a bunch of farmers on any given day, provided that rules of engagement are loose enough. What good is your AR-15 covered in patriotic Eagle stickers against A-10 Thunderbolt?
  - deepsun 4y ago
    Actually, I have a little experience on that. The main thing is that it's pretty hard to convince "modern military" to kill their own families or neighbors. So, in case like Belarus, if you order your military to fight like 90% of population, you have very high risk of them turning the arms the other way. But if those 90% of population can be silenced by a very small filtered force (personal guards, but better call them "riot police"), and keep the real "military" in barracks fed by propaganda 24/7, preventing talking to people -- then they would learn the truth anyway, but when it's too late, when all the leaders are already dead/jailed/exiled. The whole point of legitimacy rests on public approval. What approval are we talking about if it needs "A-10 Thunderbolt" against your own people. If an american city, say, Portland, would start armed resistance, no President would ever order airstrikes against it, that would be the last day of their presidency. But they won't start it, because the whole system already accommodates Portland wishes into non-violent resolution. A side note: Napoleon military genius rests a lot on the La Grande Armée, the largest army by far in Europe. But why other countries didn't have their own armies of the same size? Because only democracy can keep such a big army to turn the arms against its government, otherwise at some point giant army wishes may not align with its government (although it may take time of course). Democracy at least persuades people that they have a voice. So, in some sense, the Napoleonic wars made "democracy -> large army size -> democratic neighbors" transition. Going back to Belarus example, if the "riot police" would have to deal with armed protestors, they would have it like million times harder, and I'm not sure of the outcome.