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> If you want some practical ideas on how to bust bureaucracy, whatever your role or title, check out my book “Humanocracy” (available at Amazon), or “The New H

> If you want some practical ideas on how to bust bureaucracy, whatever your role or title, check out my book “Humanocracy” (available at Amazon), or “The New Human Movement” video series on YouTube. Didn’t know about your book/YT and haven’t read/watched them. That said, isn’t it a very fast road to nowhere and burnout? I’ve tried many times to fix bad management and its impact on software quality/customers (can’t help it, i hate avoidable toil). Every single time it achieved nothing whatsoever in the long term (the minuscule improvements I managed to make over 12–18 months were undone a few weeks after I left). But I had expanded large amount of energy and political capital resulting in having to leave the companies to protect my sanity followed by months to recover from the burnout. Is there a point in fixing companies that don’t want to be helped (which seems to be the vast majority)? It’s their cash to set on fire after all and changing jobs regularly to keep it fresh (every company has a slightly different twist on dysfunctional) seems to be a better strategy for the individual cog.

cutemonster 4y ago
> Is there a point in fixing companies that don’t want to be helped It depends? One way of thinking could be, that if a company's business idea isn't useful for society, then, don't bother fixing the company? Examples might be online poker games, or high frequency trading. How is it helpful for society, if traders make a bit more money, or if the poker gaming company manages to tie people to their laptops some more hours each week? In the second example, more managers could be better (since the business idea is slightly negative to society?). What did the companies you tried to fix, do, if I can ask? > fixing companies that don’t want to be helped Hmm, I wonder if it can be helpful to think about individuals rather than companies. Then the question becomes more similar to: "Is there a point in explaining to a manager that it's better for the company if s/he fires him- / herself?"
- ornornor 4y ago
  Things ranging from not actively harmful but not exactly useful or solving any real problem (just burning through VC money), to egovernment. Every case was mostly a waste of my time and energy. I don’t think you can help someone or something that doesn’t want to be saved. And this is exactly how these companies got there in my experience. Those who actually do want to change actually reach out and get the expertise they need. I think I can’t help it though because I see the human cost in people working there and hating their lives as a result. It’s hard for me to accept that they’re adults with agency and it should be on them to try and get out.
  - cutemonster 4y ago
    Ok :-) I suppose it can be hard to not try to improve things, isn't it a bit in some people's nature to want to do that. > I don’t think you can help someone or something that doesn’t want to be saved. Yes, I guess trying to make as much money as one can, until one finds a more constructive workplace, might be a more sanity-preserving approach

cutemonster 4y ago

> Is there a point in fixing companies that don’t want to be helped It depends? One way of thinking could be, that if a company's business idea isn't useful for society, then, don't bother fixing the company? Examples might be online poker games, or high frequency trading. How is it helpful for society, if traders make a bit more money, or if the poker gaming company manages to tie people to their laptops some more hours each week? In the second example, more managers could be better (since the business idea is slightly negative to society?). What did the companies you tried to fix, do, if I can ask? > fixing companies that don’t want to be helped Hmm, I wonder if it can be helpful to think about individuals rather than companies. Then the question becomes more similar to: "Is there a point in explaining to a manager that it's better for the company if s/he fires him- / herself?"

ornornor 4y ago
Things ranging from not actively harmful but not exactly useful or solving any real problem (just burning through VC money), to egovernment. Every case was mostly a waste of my time and energy. I don’t think you can help someone or something that doesn’t want to be saved. And this is exactly how these companies got there in my experience. Those who actually do want to change actually reach out and get the expertise they need. I think I can’t help it though because I see the human cost in people working there and hating their lives as a result. It’s hard for me to accept that they’re adults with agency and it should be on them to try and get out.
- cutemonster 4y ago
  Ok :-) I suppose it can be hard to not try to improve things, isn't it a bit in some people's nature to want to do that. > I don’t think you can help someone or something that doesn’t want to be saved. Yes, I guess trying to make as much money as one can, until one finds a more constructive workplace, might be a more sanity-preserving approach