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The author seems to admit that narcotics on warrant were justified (or at least logical). I am not sure what his expectation is. Aren't you risking years of jai

The author seems to admit that narcotics on warrant were justified (or at least logical). I am not sure what his expectation is. Aren't you risking years of jail because of that alone? Seems wildly irresponsible if he has family and kids. On the other hand, I don't know the full situation and trying to infer information from this submitted video.

whatshisface 4y ago
I can't believe I'm pointing this out on HN of all places, but if making a song about weed gets your house raided and is considered probable cause, then the government is infringing your first amendment rights.
- perceptronas 4y ago
  Warrant picture shows 'trafficking in drugs', not making a song about weed. I am not sure about full context.
  - sdenton4 4y ago
    Don't forget the kidnapping!
  - joenot443 4y ago
    I’m not sure if you’ve had much experience with American police, but having an accusation written on a warrant is rarely proof a crime actually occurred.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      It's definitely a deterrent to saying certain things.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  If you confess to a murder, the fact that your confession was protected First Amendment speech doesn't mean you shouldn't be convicted of murder. What's the difference between that and your example?
  - lucb1e 4y ago
    Proportionality, I would say, but I'm not from the US and don't know US (case) law so I might be way off here.
  - yummypaint 4y ago
    If a playwrite playing the lead character in their own production stands on stage and confesses to murder, surely that should be seen as part of the work and not a confession of the playwrite. When it comes to musicians doing the same thing, the US has a long history of selectively prosecuting black artists.
  - joenot443 4y ago
    Producing art about a character committing a crime is different from admitting that you’d committed a crime. One is art, one is (hypothetically) an admission of guilt. That’s the difference.
_8j50 4y ago
I read a commenter say he had two rolls of weed or something which is legal in most states now (I don't know where he is). But not just narcotics but even kidnapping or just about any charge really, are you saying destroying property, needlessly traumatizing children, going in armed like it's world war three or they were hunting for bin laden, stealing his money and disconnecting cameras so their actions won't be recorded. Are you saying that should be expected under any scenario? Please don't feel insulted but I feel like your comment is a result of poor civic education in America. I say that because everyone should know that guilty or not you are afforded the benefit of doubt and you should be treated like an innocent person, even if you are caught red-handed in a crime until the due process of a lawful judicial proceeding finds you guilty. This means, cops have the responsibility to behave professionally, respectfully and freaking knock on doors, avoid the display and use of military weapons, holster their weapons until there is an actual threat. Again, the lack of education in these matters is widespread, most don't know their basic rights (not just you). If you see the condtions of Jails (not prisons) in america, it is appalling, really, my takeaway is the rule of law or the constitutional rights of people are absolute jokes, rendered that way because of lack of education. To think that an innocent person with no due process or legal proceeding could be locked in solitary for months or be in an environment where they are sleep deprived and sleeping on concrete, getting raped and beat up, medical procedures against their will, losing their jobs,healthcare and housing all because the public tolerates this type of bullshit or the type of bullshit you see here where act like they're in afghanistan, because "big strong man with guns and badge good guy,can do whatever he want". So, no, what I have seen in the video is unacceptable whoever the target is, short of an active shooter, terrorist or dangerous fugitive.
- perceptronas 4y ago
  First of all, all information I had was from the video. Author specifically circled "trafficking in drugs", not "possession" in warrant picture as a thing he clearly shows intent of admitting (at least in the song video). I don't know the full story, but its not linked here, so I went with the information I had. >are you saying destroying property, needlessly traumatizing children, going in armed like it's world war three or they were hunting for bin laden, stealing his money and disconnecting cameras so their actions won't be recorded I am not saying anything, just trying to understand people's reaction with the limited information. It seems conflicting to me. >Please don't feel insulted but I feel like your comment is a result of poor civic education in America I am not from USA, I am from EU. In EU, in quite a few places at least, police does not even need a warrant. If they think you are doing a crime (using drugs, possessing drugs) - they can just bust in to your house and arrest you. So compared to that, USA judge granting warrants system sounds great to me. Then again, I don't know everything, maybe you have similar laws as well. >Regarding busting in instead of respectful knocking From one side I do agree that innocent people shouldn't get swatted. But, from another perspective: If you don't break in fast - criminals will one hundred percent destroy the evidence needed to put them away.

whatshisface 4y ago

I can't believe I'm pointing this out on HN of all places, but if making a song about weed gets your house raided and is considered probable cause, then the government is infringing your first amendment rights.

perceptronas 4y ago
Warrant picture shows 'trafficking in drugs', not making a song about weed. I am not sure about full context.
- sdenton4 4y ago
  Don't forget the kidnapping!
- joenot443 4y ago
  I’m not sure if you’ve had much experience with American police, but having an accusation written on a warrant is rarely proof a crime actually occurred.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    It's definitely a deterrent to saying certain things.
josephcsible 4y ago
If you confess to a murder, the fact that your confession was protected First Amendment speech doesn't mean you shouldn't be convicted of murder. What's the difference between that and your example?
- lucb1e 4y ago
  Proportionality, I would say, but I'm not from the US and don't know US (case) law so I might be way off here.
- yummypaint 4y ago
  If a playwrite playing the lead character in their own production stands on stage and confesses to murder, surely that should be seen as part of the work and not a confession of the playwrite. When it comes to musicians doing the same thing, the US has a long history of selectively prosecuting black artists.
- joenot443 4y ago
  Producing art about a character committing a crime is different from admitting that you’d committed a crime. One is art, one is (hypothetically) an admission of guilt. That’s the difference.

_8j50 4y ago

I read a commenter say he had two rolls of weed or something which is legal in most states now (I don't know where he is). But not just narcotics but even kidnapping or just about any charge really, are you saying destroying property, needlessly traumatizing children, going in armed like it's world war three or they were hunting for bin laden, stealing his money and disconnecting cameras so their actions won't be recorded. Are you saying that should be expected under any scenario? Please don't feel insulted but I feel like your comment is a result of poor civic education in America. I say that because everyone should know that guilty or not you are afforded the benefit of doubt and you should be treated like an innocent person, even if you are caught red-handed in a crime until the due process of a lawful judicial proceeding finds you guilty. This means, cops have the responsibility to behave professionally, respectfully and freaking knock on doors, avoid the display and use of military weapons, holster their weapons until there is an actual threat. Again, the lack of education in these matters is widespread, most don't know their basic rights (not just you). If you see the condtions of Jails (not prisons) in america, it is appalling, really, my takeaway is the rule of law or the constitutional rights of people are absolute jokes, rendered that way because of lack of education. To think that an innocent person with no due process or legal proceeding could be locked in solitary for months or be in an environment where they are sleep deprived and sleeping on concrete, getting raped and beat up, medical procedures against their will, losing their jobs,healthcare and housing all because the public tolerates this type of bullshit or the type of bullshit you see here where act like they're in afghanistan, because "big strong man with guns and badge good guy,can do whatever he want". So, no, what I have seen in the video is unacceptable whoever the target is, short of an active shooter, terrorist or dangerous fugitive.

perceptronas 4y ago
First of all, all information I had was from the video. Author specifically circled "trafficking in drugs", not "possession" in warrant picture as a thing he clearly shows intent of admitting (at least in the song video). I don't know the full story, but its not linked here, so I went with the information I had. >are you saying destroying property, needlessly traumatizing children, going in armed like it's world war three or they were hunting for bin laden, stealing his money and disconnecting cameras so their actions won't be recorded I am not saying anything, just trying to understand people's reaction with the limited information. It seems conflicting to me. >Please don't feel insulted but I feel like your comment is a result of poor civic education in America I am not from USA, I am from EU. In EU, in quite a few places at least, police does not even need a warrant. If they think you are doing a crime (using drugs, possessing drugs) - they can just bust in to your house and arrest you. So compared to that, USA judge granting warrants system sounds great to me. Then again, I don't know everything, maybe you have similar laws as well. >Regarding busting in instead of respectful knocking From one side I do agree that innocent people shouldn't get swatted. But, from another perspective: If you don't break in fast - criminals will one hundred percent destroy the evidence needed to put them away.