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> Could ireland or italy pass laws giving 3rd generation Immigrants citizenship, and then send them all a tax bill? Here's the kicker: when you are born to US

> Could ireland or italy pass laws giving 3rd generation Immigrants citizenship, and then send them all a tax bill? Here's the kicker: when you are born to US parents, you are automatically a US citizen, even if USA doesn't know about you. So you may have been born abroad and never set foot in the US, and theoretically, you should have been filling tax reports. I wonder if you owe backtaxes if you decide to inform USA about yourself later in your life...

Question50 4y ago
Nationality & tax laws are two different though, in the case of the USA, intertwined things. One can be born abroad to a US citizen and not be eligible for US citizenship; Keanu Reves is a great example of that.[1] However, that child would be considered a "US Person" by the IRS and subject to US taxes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keanu_Reeves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keanu_Reeves
- true_religion 4y ago
  Keanu was born in 1964. I believe the rule at the time was that you needed to be born to a US mother in order to automatically have US citizenship at birth. Otherwise you needed to go through a processes. No doubt this was to avoid having all the children of anyone a US serviceman interacted with abroad claim US citizenship.
  - Question50 4y ago
    No, though that was the case pre-1934 [1]. Remember that Hawaii, where his father is from, didn't become a state until 1959 and there are physical residence/presence tests required to pass on citizenship[2]; ex: "A U.S. citizen may have automatically acquired U.S. citizenship based on birth in the United States, but never actually resided in the United States. This U.S. citizen will not have established residence in the United States, and may be unable to transmit U.S. citizenship to his or her own children." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States#Statute,_by_parentage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_... [2] https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-2 https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter...
- bialpio 4y ago
  > One can be born abroad to a US citizen and not be eligible for US citizenship; Note that I wrote "parents", not "parent", although full rules do specify additional residency requirement, so my statement may be considered incorrect, but not because of what you are pointing out. : - P Reference for whoever's interested: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega...

Question50 4y ago

Nationality & tax laws are two different though, in the case of the USA, intertwined things. One can be born abroad to a US citizen and not be eligible for US citizenship; Keanu Reves is a great example of that.[1] However, that child would be considered a "US Person" by the IRS and subject to US taxes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keanu_Reeves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keanu_Reeves

true_religion 4y ago
Keanu was born in 1964. I believe the rule at the time was that you needed to be born to a US mother in order to automatically have US citizenship at birth. Otherwise you needed to go through a processes. No doubt this was to avoid having all the children of anyone a US serviceman interacted with abroad claim US citizenship.
- Question50 4y ago
  No, though that was the case pre-1934 [1]. Remember that Hawaii, where his father is from, didn't become a state until 1959 and there are physical residence/presence tests required to pass on citizenship[2]; ex: "A U.S. citizen may have automatically acquired U.S. citizenship based on birth in the United States, but never actually resided in the United States. This U.S. citizen will not have established residence in the United States, and may be unable to transmit U.S. citizenship to his or her own children." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States#Statute,_by_parentage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_... [2] https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-2 https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter...
bialpio 4y ago
> One can be born abroad to a US citizen and not be eligible for US citizenship; Note that I wrote "parents", not "parent", although full rules do specify additional residency requirement, so my statement may be considered incorrect, but not because of what you are pointing out. : - P Reference for whoever's interested: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega...