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Or--they could juat stop taxing people who dont live there. More countries should oearn from this. Any country can decide to tax citizens. And who is a citizen

by Gunax 4y ago

Or--they could juat stop taxing people who dont live there. More countries should oearn from this. Any country can decide to tax citizens. And who is a citizen? Well, it's determined by that nation's laws. Why should citizenship only be granted to children citizens? Why not grand children? Or great grant children? Could ireland or italy pass laws giving 3rd generation Immigrants citizenship, and then send them all a tax bill?

klipt 4y ago
> Could ireland or italy pass laws giving 3rd generation Immigrants citizenship, and then send them all a tax bill? They could, but it's harder for a small country to enforce such laws compared to the US. Of course if they can get the EU to help enforce those laws, perhaps the sky is the limit. People living far away are the ideal tax base. For one thing, they can't effectively vote against the tax.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  >People living far away are the ideal tax base. For one thing, they can't effectively vote against the tax. US expats can vote from abroad from the last state, county, and municipality they held residency in prior to going abroad, as I understand. Obligatory IANAL.
  - klipt 4y ago
    Yes expats are split across multiple locations which makes their votes too dilute to matter.
di456 4y ago
I wonder if a side effect of this policy is to disincentiveize brain drain.
- voisin 4y ago
  In both directions!
bialpio 4y ago
> Could ireland or italy pass laws giving 3rd generation Immigrants citizenship, and then send them all a tax bill? Here's the kicker: when you are born to US parents, you are automatically a US citizen, even if USA doesn't know about you. So you may have been born abroad and never set foot in the US, and theoretically, you should have been filling tax reports. I wonder if you owe backtaxes if you decide to inform USA about yourself later in your life...
- Question50 4y ago
  Nationality & tax laws are two different though, in the case of the USA, intertwined things. One can be born abroad to a US citizen and not be eligible for US citizenship; Keanu Reves is a great example of that.[1] However, that child would be considered a "US Person" by the IRS and subject to US taxes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keanu_Reeves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keanu_Reeves
  - true_religion 4y ago
    Keanu was born in 1964. I believe the rule at the time was that you needed to be born to a US mother in order to automatically have US citizenship at birth. Otherwise you needed to go through a processes. No doubt this was to avoid having all the children of anyone a US serviceman interacted with abroad claim US citizenship.
    - Question50 4y ago
      No, though that was the case pre-1934 [1]. Remember that Hawaii, where his father is from, didn't become a state until 1959 and there are physical residence/presence tests required to pass on citizenship[2]; ex: "A U.S. citizen may have automatically acquired U.S. citizenship based on birth in the United States, but never actually resided in the United States. This U.S. citizen will not have established residence in the United States, and may be unable to transmit U.S. citizenship to his or her own children." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States#Statute,_by_parentage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_... [2] https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-2 https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter...

by Gunax 4y ago

klipt 4y ago

> Could ireland or italy pass laws giving 3rd generation Immigrants citizenship, and then send them all a tax bill? They could, but it's harder for a small country to enforce such laws compared to the US. Of course if they can get the EU to help enforce those laws, perhaps the sky is the limit. People living far away are the ideal tax base. For one thing, they can't effectively vote against the tax.

Dalewyn 4y ago
>People living far away are the ideal tax base. For one thing, they can't effectively vote against the tax. US expats can vote from abroad from the last state, county, and municipality they held residency in prior to going abroad, as I understand. Obligatory IANAL.
- klipt 4y ago
  Yes expats are split across multiple locations which makes their votes too dilute to matter.

di456 4y ago

I wonder if a side effect of this policy is to disincentiveize brain drain.

voisin 4y ago
In both directions!

bialpio 4y ago

> Could ireland or italy pass laws giving 3rd generation Immigrants citizenship, and then send them all a tax bill? Here's the kicker: when you are born to US parents, you are automatically a US citizen, even if USA doesn't know about you. So you may have been born abroad and never set foot in the US, and theoretically, you should have been filling tax reports. I wonder if you owe backtaxes if you decide to inform USA about yourself later in your life...

Question50 4y ago
Nationality & tax laws are two different though, in the case of the USA, intertwined things. One can be born abroad to a US citizen and not be eligible for US citizenship; Keanu Reves is a great example of that.[1] However, that child would be considered a "US Person" by the IRS and subject to US taxes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keanu_Reeves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keanu_Reeves
- true_religion 4y ago
  Keanu was born in 1964. I believe the rule at the time was that you needed to be born to a US mother in order to automatically have US citizenship at birth. Otherwise you needed to go through a processes. No doubt this was to avoid having all the children of anyone a US serviceman interacted with abroad claim US citizenship.
  - Question50 4y ago
    No, though that was the case pre-1934 [1]. Remember that Hawaii, where his father is from, didn't become a state until 1959 and there are physical residence/presence tests required to pass on citizenship[2]; ex: "A U.S. citizen may have automatically acquired U.S. citizenship based on birth in the United States, but never actually resided in the United States. This U.S. citizen will not have established residence in the United States, and may be unable to transmit U.S. citizenship to his or her own children." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States#Statute,_by_parentage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_... [2] https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-2 https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter...