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For those new to the term "Constitutional Sheriff" > The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA) is a political organization of local po

For those new to the term "Constitutional Sheriff" > The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA) is a political organization of local police officials in the United States who contend that federal and state government authorities are subordinate to the local authority of county sheriffs. Self-described constitutional sheriffs assert that they are the supreme legal authority with the power and duty to defy or disregard laws they regard as unconstitutional. As a result, they may sometimes be referred to as sovereign sheriffs. via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Sheriffs_and_Peace_Officers_Association https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Sheriffs_and_Pe... Terrifying.

trilbyglens 4y ago
Time to get that EU passport kids.
- InCityDreams 4y ago
  Please don't. It's....er....full of terrorists here, portions are only half, there's a war 24 hours drive away, our politicians are not our representatives [apparently], we speak different languages and even dialects, clothing sizes are really fucked up - your XXXL might be hard to find - amazon is delivered by disabled people only, one part of Europe uses different money and a new part of Europe just got the same money as the rest of us, putting a big flag of 'your' country outside your house is seen as a bit odd (dickmove) unless the world cup is on, 'world' usually means just that when it comes to sports, our paper money denominations are different sizes so we can't fuck over the blind, we use the metric system (mostly), Piers Morgan and John Oliver come from over here, we have kings and queens -still, no 2nd amendment rights, pay is shit and we're all communists because a doctor will treat you after a more urgent case even with a gold AE card, but you don't have to pay much in the end so that's communism, too. In Holland, if you don't have a bicycle they fine you, in Finland you have to buy moose-knuckle-fish and in Spain if you're awake you absolutely have to report to work at least once a month unless you're french and then you can just set fire to it, unless you're italian and then everything is debatable, anyway. Until it comes to the Germans. Their vehicles, though technically 'superior', are indicator-free and, much like an actual Panzer, are free to go where they want, unless an Audi is involved. No-one cares for VW anymore, which is ironic, but real Europeans don't really get irony, like yourselves oh crap now I'm starting to sell the damn place. Er.....no guns!
  - deepsun 4y ago
    No guns? How are you gonna defend your constitution against a treasonous dictator? Oh I see, Belarusian friend tells me you just get tortured and flee to another country by thousands then.
    - mopsi 4y ago
      That's nothing more than a fantasy, it's not 18th century anymore with a group farmers being qualitatively not too far from a military. If you escalate from peaceful protests to armed conflict, then a modern military will win over a bunch of farmers on any given day, provided that rules of engagement are loose enough. What good is your AR-15 covered in patriotic Eagle stickers against A-10 Thunderbolt?
      - deepsun 4y ago
        Actually, I have a little experience on that. The main thing is that it's pretty hard to convince "modern military" to kill their own families or neighbors. So, in case like Belarus, if you order your military to fight like 90% of population, you have very high risk of them turning the arms the other way. But if those 90% of population can be silenced by a very small filtered force (personal guards, but better call them "riot police"), and keep the real "military" in barracks fed by propaganda 24/7, preventing talking to people -- then they would learn the truth anyway, but when it's too late, when all the leaders are already dead/jailed/exiled. The whole point of legitimacy rests on public approval. What approval are we talking about if it needs "A-10 Thunderbolt" against your own people. If an american city, say, Portland, would start armed resistance, no President would ever order airstrikes against it, that would be the last day of their presidency. But they won't start it, because the whole system already accommodates Portland wishes into non-violent resolution. A side note: Napoleon military genius rests a lot on the La Grande Armée, the largest army by far in Europe. But why other countries didn't have their own armies of the same size? Because only democracy can keep such a big army to turn the arms against its government, otherwise at some point giant army wishes may not align with its government (although it may take time of course). Democracy at least persuades people that they have a voice. So, in some sense, the Napoleonic wars made "democracy -> large army size -> democratic neighbors" transition. Going back to Belarus example, if the "riot police" would have to deal with armed protestors, they would have it like million times harder, and I'm not sure of the outcome.
tbrownaw 4y ago
> As a result, they may sometimes be referred to as sovereign sheriffs. I'm sure that'll work about as well as that "sovereign citizen" thing that some people try.
th3b0x 4y ago
Technically, under Constitution Article VI most (all?) Sheriffs would be bound by oath and Constitutional Law (Articles III, IV, VI) to defy or disregard laws they regard as unconstitutional. This is because unconstitutional laws are treasonous (an opinion reinforced in the Supreme Court in 1803 by Chief Justice John Marshall). Per Marbury v. Madison (5 U.S. 137): "It is emphatically the province and duty of the Judicial Department to say what The Law is." and "A Law repugnant to the Constitution is void." (Opinion of the court via Chief Justice John Marshall). As legally authorized officers of the Judiciary, Sheriffs and their deputies are obliged to interpret and act upon the law. Not terrifying at all: this has been the status quo since 1803. If you find this terrifying, do not become a Judicial Officer. These people handle treason on a daily basis. P.S. I sympathize with Afroman, and support and appreciate his music. As intelligent citizens, I think he knows the law as I do, perhaps even better than me (because he's a celebrity).

trilbyglens 4y ago

Time to get that EU passport kids.

InCityDreams 4y ago
Please don't. It's....er....full of terrorists here, portions are only half, there's a war 24 hours drive away, our politicians are not our representatives [apparently], we speak different languages and even dialects, clothing sizes are really fucked up - your XXXL might be hard to find - amazon is delivered by disabled people only, one part of Europe uses different money and a new part of Europe just got the same money as the rest of us, putting a big flag of 'your' country outside your house is seen as a bit odd (dickmove) unless the world cup is on, 'world' usually means just that when it comes to sports, our paper money denominations are different sizes so we can't fuck over the blind, we use the metric system (mostly), Piers Morgan and John Oliver come from over here, we have kings and queens -still, no 2nd amendment rights, pay is shit and we're all communists because a doctor will treat you after a more urgent case even with a gold AE card, but you don't have to pay much in the end so that's communism, too. In Holland, if you don't have a bicycle they fine you, in Finland you have to buy moose-knuckle-fish and in Spain if you're awake you absolutely have to report to work at least once a month unless you're french and then you can just set fire to it, unless you're italian and then everything is debatable, anyway. Until it comes to the Germans. Their vehicles, though technically 'superior', are indicator-free and, much like an actual Panzer, are free to go where they want, unless an Audi is involved. No-one cares for VW anymore, which is ironic, but real Europeans don't really get irony, like yourselves oh crap now I'm starting to sell the damn place. Er.....no guns!
- deepsun 4y ago
  No guns? How are you gonna defend your constitution against a treasonous dictator? Oh I see, Belarusian friend tells me you just get tortured and flee to another country by thousands then.
  - mopsi 4y ago
    That's nothing more than a fantasy, it's not 18th century anymore with a group farmers being qualitatively not too far from a military. If you escalate from peaceful protests to armed conflict, then a modern military will win over a bunch of farmers on any given day, provided that rules of engagement are loose enough. What good is your AR-15 covered in patriotic Eagle stickers against A-10 Thunderbolt?
    - deepsun 4y ago
      Actually, I have a little experience on that. The main thing is that it's pretty hard to convince "modern military" to kill their own families or neighbors. So, in case like Belarus, if you order your military to fight like 90% of population, you have very high risk of them turning the arms the other way. But if those 90% of population can be silenced by a very small filtered force (personal guards, but better call them "riot police"), and keep the real "military" in barracks fed by propaganda 24/7, preventing talking to people -- then they would learn the truth anyway, but when it's too late, when all the leaders are already dead/jailed/exiled. The whole point of legitimacy rests on public approval. What approval are we talking about if it needs "A-10 Thunderbolt" against your own people. If an american city, say, Portland, would start armed resistance, no President would ever order airstrikes against it, that would be the last day of their presidency. But they won't start it, because the whole system already accommodates Portland wishes into non-violent resolution. A side note: Napoleon military genius rests a lot on the La Grande Armée, the largest army by far in Europe. But why other countries didn't have their own armies of the same size? Because only democracy can keep such a big army to turn the arms against its government, otherwise at some point giant army wishes may not align with its government (although it may take time of course). Democracy at least persuades people that they have a voice. So, in some sense, the Napoleonic wars made "democracy -> large army size -> democratic neighbors" transition. Going back to Belarus example, if the "riot police" would have to deal with armed protestors, they would have it like million times harder, and I'm not sure of the outcome.

tbrownaw 4y ago

> As a result, they may sometimes be referred to as sovereign sheriffs. I'm sure that'll work about as well as that "sovereign citizen" thing that some people try.

th3b0x 4y ago

Technically, under Constitution Article VI most (all?) Sheriffs would be bound by oath and Constitutional Law (Articles III, IV, VI) to defy or disregard laws they regard as unconstitutional. This is because unconstitutional laws are treasonous (an opinion reinforced in the Supreme Court in 1803 by Chief Justice John Marshall). Per Marbury v. Madison (5 U.S. 137): "It is emphatically the province and duty of the Judicial Department to say what The Law is." and "A Law repugnant to the Constitution is void." (Opinion of the court via Chief Justice John Marshall). As legally authorized officers of the Judiciary, Sheriffs and their deputies are obliged to interpret and act upon the law. Not terrifying at all: this has been the status quo since 1803. If you find this terrifying, do not become a Judicial Officer. These people handle treason on a daily basis. P.S. I sympathize with Afroman, and support and appreciate his music. As intelligent citizens, I think he knows the law as I do, perhaps even better than me (because he's a celebrity).