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The reputation is a real thing and it's why the only people who are choosing to use GTK for new projects are people who are already pretty deep into the gnome e

The reputation is a real thing and it's why the only people who are choosing to use GTK for new projects are people who are already pretty deep into the gnome ecosystem (they've probably been to at least on gnome conference). You can see this kind of effect by looking at toolkit preferences in things like the stack overflow surveys.

QUrprUd1nCeicw 4y ago
No, this particular "reputation" you're referring to is a lie and a fabrication based on nothing, in order to push a narrative. I mean you literally just walked it back right now, in literally the same sentence. The people choosing GTK are choosing to do that, they're not being bullied by anybody. I don't think anyone is developing anything for the express purpose of trying to "win" a stack overflow survey.
- traverseda 4y ago
  >the people choosing GTK are choosing to do that, They are, presumably, not the people that Gnome are bullying. But I think we're past the point where you can I can have a reasonable conversation.
  - QUrprUd1nCeicw 4y ago
    We could never have a fruitful conversation if all you were trying to do was trash talk some people. I won't engage you there. Once you abandon the idea that you need to tear other people down to make your point then you'll find our conversation will improve instantly.
QUrprUd1nCeicw 4y ago
I was curious so I looked at the most recent stack overflow surveys that mention GTK. They actually say you're wrong. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-popular-technologies-other-frameworks-and-libraries https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-popular-t... https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-other-frameworks-and-libraries https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-loved-dre... GTK has lower usage than Qt and Electron, but it's actually few percent higher on the "most loved" category than Qt and Electron. However all of them are below 50% loved. The percent GTK is above them is probably not enough to be important. And that's exactly what I'd expect: all these desktop toolkits have issues and are disliked. Electron and Qt are cross-platform so of course they would have higher usage than GTK, which has only ever really been popular on Linux. And none of it matters anyway. .NET wins it all by a large margin due to the popularity of Windows and the only other big GUI frameworks on there are Flutter and React Native. I'm honestly surprised GTK is even on the list at all, it wasn't there in previous years. I expected the list to be totally dominated by web frameworks and Python frameworks like it was before. This is kind of along the lines of what I've been trying to communicate to you. Complaining about these minor issues and playing the blame game between open source projects is pointless. Microsoft, Facebook and Google are the big boys in town, that's not gonna change by GNOME fixing some random low-priority bug.

QUrprUd1nCeicw 4y ago

No, this particular "reputation" you're referring to is a lie and a fabrication based on nothing, in order to push a narrative. I mean you literally just walked it back right now, in literally the same sentence. The people choosing GTK are choosing to do that, they're not being bullied by anybody. I don't think anyone is developing anything for the express purpose of trying to "win" a stack overflow survey.

traverseda 4y ago
>the people choosing GTK are choosing to do that, They are, presumably, not the people that Gnome are bullying. But I think we're past the point where you can I can have a reasonable conversation.
- QUrprUd1nCeicw 4y ago
  We could never have a fruitful conversation if all you were trying to do was trash talk some people. I won't engage you there. Once you abandon the idea that you need to tear other people down to make your point then you'll find our conversation will improve instantly.

QUrprUd1nCeicw 4y ago

I was curious so I looked at the most recent stack overflow surveys that mention GTK. They actually say you're wrong. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-popular-technologies-other-frameworks-and-libraries https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-popular-t... https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-loved-dreaded-and-wanted-other-frameworks-and-libraries https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-loved-dre... GTK has lower usage than Qt and Electron, but it's actually few percent higher on the "most loved" category than Qt and Electron. However all of them are below 50% loved. The percent GTK is above them is probably not enough to be important. And that's exactly what I'd expect: all these desktop toolkits have issues and are disliked. Electron and Qt are cross-platform so of course they would have higher usage than GTK, which has only ever really been popular on Linux. And none of it matters anyway. .NET wins it all by a large margin due to the popularity of Windows and the only other big GUI frameworks on there are Flutter and React Native. I'm honestly surprised GTK is even on the list at all, it wasn't there in previous years. I expected the list to be totally dominated by web frameworks and Python frameworks like it was before. This is kind of along the lines of what I've been trying to communicate to you. Complaining about these minor issues and playing the blame game between open source projects is pointless. Microsoft, Facebook and Google are the big boys in town, that's not gonna change by GNOME fixing some random low-priority bug.