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> There is a reason for the "Meth, not even once" PSAs and memes. The drug is really just that addictive that it can ruin people's lives by getting them hooked

> There is a reason for the "Meth, not even once" PSAs and memes. The drug is really just that addictive that it can ruin people's lives by getting them hooked after just one session. If you believe the propaganda - memes are not a quality source of information. You need to be less willing to repeat what you've heard sand more willing to dig out the facts. The same is said of crack ("one hit and you're hooked") but it's a lie. I've spent several full evenings smoking it and I am not going back to it. To some people, maybe one shot and then doom, but to most it's an incremental downward slope depending on many factors. Not denying crack is a bastard and I would probably not support legalising it either, but please don't parrot back rubbish you've been told. If this is still the level of HN debate ion drugs, to repeat soundbite anti-drug propaganda, I feel we're getting nowhere and burning a lot of fuel doing it.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
To be clear, my stance against meth comes not from "anti-drug propaganda", but from knowing people whose lives were ruined by it. I'm pretty open about drug use, and after hearing their experiences with it, it is absolutely a drug I would refuse to touch. I'm not arguing these anecdotes are data, but for me personally they are enough to highlight the unequal danger of meth.
- hypertele-Xii 4y ago
  Are you saying those peoples' lives were totally fine, and then when they tried drugs they were ruined? My understanding is that most people whose lives are in ruin and use drugs, use drugs because their lives were already ruined in some way or other.
  - hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
    > Are you saying those peoples' lives were totally fine, and then when they tried drugs they were ruined? Yes, I am. They weren't ruined immediately, but the addiction quickly ruined them. > My understanding is that most people whose lives are in ruin and use drugs, use drugs because their lives were already ruined in some way or other. I think your understanding is woefully incorrect, almost to fall into the caricature of what "bad drug users" look like. Many people (myself included) like to use drugs because they make you feel good. Just look at, for example, the popularity of pubs in England - do you really think that all alcoholics only became alcoholics after their lives were already shitty?
    - _a_a_a_ 4y ago
      Yes, I am. They weren't ruined immediately, but the addiction quickly ruined them. Questionasble. There's a good asrticle in the spectator asbout this I can't find now, am at work. It suggests a very different interpretation.
    - _a_a_a_ 4y ago
      Can't quite find it, try this instead, covers the same ground. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doctor-heroin-slashed-crime-addiction-9495143 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doctor-heroin-... > I think your understanding is woefully incorrect, almost to fall into the caricature of what "bad drug users" look like Well, my experience. Used to buy a bottle (700 CC) of spirits and it would last about 2 weeks. Became seriously mentally ill a few years ago, started drinking equivalent of 450 to 500 CC of spirits per evening (~1/2 litre), every evening, for a long time until the cash fortunately ran out. At least I could feel something, anything, when I drank. When I got better the drinking subsided, almost back to my baseline again. QV also soldiers on heroin in the vietnam war, when out of the stress of war they typically just gave it up iirc.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

To be clear, my stance against meth comes not from "anti-drug propaganda", but from knowing people whose lives were ruined by it. I'm pretty open about drug use, and after hearing their experiences with it, it is absolutely a drug I would refuse to touch. I'm not arguing these anecdotes are data, but for me personally they are enough to highlight the unequal danger of meth.

hypertele-Xii 4y ago
Are you saying those peoples' lives were totally fine, and then when they tried drugs they were ruined? My understanding is that most people whose lives are in ruin and use drugs, use drugs because their lives were already ruined in some way or other.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  > Are you saying those peoples' lives were totally fine, and then when they tried drugs they were ruined? Yes, I am. They weren't ruined immediately, but the addiction quickly ruined them. > My understanding is that most people whose lives are in ruin and use drugs, use drugs because their lives were already ruined in some way or other. I think your understanding is woefully incorrect, almost to fall into the caricature of what "bad drug users" look like. Many people (myself included) like to use drugs because they make you feel good. Just look at, for example, the popularity of pubs in England - do you really think that all alcoholics only became alcoholics after their lives were already shitty?
  - _a_a_a_ 4y ago
    Yes, I am. They weren't ruined immediately, but the addiction quickly ruined them. Questionasble. There's a good asrticle in the spectator asbout this I can't find now, am at work. It suggests a very different interpretation.
  - _a_a_a_ 4y ago
    Can't quite find it, try this instead, covers the same ground. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doctor-heroin-slashed-crime-addiction-9495143 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doctor-heroin-... > I think your understanding is woefully incorrect, almost to fall into the caricature of what "bad drug users" look like Well, my experience. Used to buy a bottle (700 CC) of spirits and it would last about 2 weeks. Became seriously mentally ill a few years ago, started drinking equivalent of 450 to 500 CC of spirits per evening (~1/2 litre), every evening, for a long time until the cash fortunately ran out. At least I could feel something, anything, when I drank. When I got better the drinking subsided, almost back to my baseline again. QV also soldiers on heroin in the vietnam war, when out of the stress of war they typically just gave it up iirc.