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Are we reading the same page? because what you linked to is an example of Government shielding a bad actor from liability. At multiple points in the wiki entr

Are we reading the same page? because what you linked to is an example of Government shielding a bad actor from liability. At multiple points in the wiki entry they talk about how government protected the Swill Milk factories. I dont know if that is the shining example of government protection, nor the indictment of free markets you think it is. >>your Ayn Randian fantasy Nope, not an Objectivist. I am small l libertarian, very different from Objectivism which is Randian philosophy. Rand hated libertarians. I am also not opposed to all government, or government regulation. I am opposed to extreme amounts of regulations (like regulation what type of interface a car must have be it touch screen or buttons), and I prefer the government to get out of my life. and I believe we have become a massively over regulated and criminalized society that in large part has created many of the problems we have today such as these huge corporations. Some basic minimalist safety regulations are ok. Regulation numbers in the billions of pages where no one human can ever know and understand them all... Hard pass on that.

Eisenstein 4y ago
> I dont know if that is the shining example of government protection, nor the indictment of free markets you think it is. Notice I mentioned the FDA -- which has as a mandate to ensure safe food and drink, not the local official who had no such mandate and powered monied interested held more sway than poor dead infants. You use a local official as evidence of a regulatory body in a time when local officials were actors for industry -- and expect me to think you spent more than 3 seconds thinking critically about that? > I am small l libertarian And, like most libertarians, (who are not just closet fascists calling themselves libertarians because libertarians don't bother to exclude them), your definition of 'extreme' could be anything from 'driver's licenses' to 'not being able to sell your own children', so who knows what line you stand on. Whatever it is, I would like you to remove yourself from all of the government protections you disagree with and see how long you and your libertarian friends last. Hint -- it has been tried numerous times, and always ends in hilarity and completely predictable outcomes. Just two off the top of my head... * https://boingboing.net/2020/10/19/libertarians-exit-pursued-by-bears.html https://boingboing.net/2020/10/19/libertarians-exit-pursued-... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seasteading_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seasteading_Institute
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  >>like most libertarians, (who are not just closet fascists calling themselves libertarians Facism which is a totalitarian collectivist ideology has nothing in common with libertarianism, your assertion there are closet fascist calling themselves libertarians is plainly false most likely because you misapply the term fascist due your are probably complete ignorance of both. Which is common today where alot of people that seem to have world view closely aligned with classic fascist leaders proclaim themselves to be "anti-fascist" unironically. >so who knows what line you stand on. well if you had read my entire comment instead of cherry picking the quote you wanted you find where my line is.
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    I never applied the term fascist or defined it. I stated an opinion in line with m experiences. I happen to know what a fascist is -- in fact just last week I re-read Umberto Eco's Ur Fascism[0]; it is brilliant and I suggest you check it out. > well if you had read my entire comment instead of cherry picking the quote you wanted you find where my line is. I read your comment -- you used the term 'extreme' and then said the government over-regulates, and you want 'minimal safety' regulations. However, your arguments do not line up with this, since I have read your comments and they are quite a bit more on the 'let corporations do what they wish' than 'the government is too damn nanny-state'. So, forgive me if I don't take you at your word. My experiences with libertarians has led me to just assume that your 'line' is whatever you feel like, that benefits you, until it doesn't anymore, then you are on the other side of it. [0] https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/ https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

Eisenstein 4y ago

> I dont know if that is the shining example of government protection, nor the indictment of free markets you think it is. Notice I mentioned the FDA -- which has as a mandate to ensure safe food and drink, not the local official who had no such mandate and powered monied interested held more sway than poor dead infants. You use a local official as evidence of a regulatory body in a time when local officials were actors for industry -- and expect me to think you spent more than 3 seconds thinking critically about that? > I am small l libertarian And, like most libertarians, (who are not just closet fascists calling themselves libertarians because libertarians don't bother to exclude them), your definition of 'extreme' could be anything from 'driver's licenses' to 'not being able to sell your own children', so who knows what line you stand on. Whatever it is, I would like you to remove yourself from all of the government protections you disagree with and see how long you and your libertarian friends last. Hint -- it has been tried numerous times, and always ends in hilarity and completely predictable outcomes. Just two off the top of my head... * https://boingboing.net/2020/10/19/libertarians-exit-pursued-by-bears.html https://boingboing.net/2020/10/19/libertarians-exit-pursued-... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seasteading_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seasteading_Institute

phpisthebest 4y ago
>>like most libertarians, (who are not just closet fascists calling themselves libertarians Facism which is a totalitarian collectivist ideology has nothing in common with libertarianism, your assertion there are closet fascist calling themselves libertarians is plainly false most likely because you misapply the term fascist due your are probably complete ignorance of both. Which is common today where alot of people that seem to have world view closely aligned with classic fascist leaders proclaim themselves to be "anti-fascist" unironically. >so who knows what line you stand on. well if you had read my entire comment instead of cherry picking the quote you wanted you find where my line is.
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  I never applied the term fascist or defined it. I stated an opinion in line with m experiences. I happen to know what a fascist is -- in fact just last week I re-read Umberto Eco's Ur Fascism[0]; it is brilliant and I suggest you check it out. > well if you had read my entire comment instead of cherry picking the quote you wanted you find where my line is. I read your comment -- you used the term 'extreme' and then said the government over-regulates, and you want 'minimal safety' regulations. However, your arguments do not line up with this, since I have read your comments and they are quite a bit more on the 'let corporations do what they wish' than 'the government is too damn nanny-state'. So, forgive me if I don't take you at your word. My experiences with libertarians has led me to just assume that your 'line' is whatever you feel like, that benefits you, until it doesn't anymore, then you are on the other side of it. [0] https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/ https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/