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That isn’t surprising. Even if the work is being done publicly, it still needs to be tracked and project-managed internally by the team.

lapcat 4y ago
> Even if the work is being done publicly, it still needs to be tracked and project-managed internally by the team. bugs.webkit.org is literally a bug tracker. The only relevant difference between Radar and WebKit Bugzilla is private vs. public.
- olliej 4y ago
  No. B.w.o has no release tracking, it has no ability to track dependencies on other Apple projects, etc B.w.o is where bug fixes happen, no more. Code dev and review has to happen in b.w.o by the webkit community rules, not radar.
  - saagarjha 4y ago
    That’s now on GitHub.
- dagmx 4y ago
  There’s also a difference between WebKit (the open source code) and Safari (the closed source software) I assume internally they’re treated as one component which makes it easier to mirror bugs into radar?
  - saagarjha 4y ago
    WebKit has a closed source component that ships alongside Safari, which is entirely closed source.
- marcellus23 4y ago
  > The only relevant difference between Radar and WebKit Bugzilla is private vs. public. No, this is not true. Radar is not just "a bug tracker" — it is a very powerful project management tool, custom-built over several decades for the way Apple works, with integrations into other internal tools and processes. It should be obvious why Apple wants to track work being done on Webkit using the same tool it uses to track work being done on every other project at the company.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    Last time I saw Radar, and its source code, which was admittedly over a decade ago, it was not a "project management tool" as such, although radars could of course be used in project management. It was indeed just a bug tracker, but yes, a very powerful one. At bottom it was a giant Oracle database, with several frontends.
    - marcellus23 4y ago
      I can't speak as to what Radar looked like a decade ago.
  - mproud 4y ago
    I know a story of a person who submitted a Radar ticket for an engineer to go get a haircut. They closed the ticket a few days later with a picture showing the issue resolved.
    - saagarjha 4y ago
      Snakes on a Radar is always a fun list to peruse.

lapcat 4y ago

> Even if the work is being done publicly, it still needs to be tracked and project-managed internally by the team. bugs.webkit.org is literally a bug tracker. The only relevant difference between Radar and WebKit Bugzilla is private vs. public.

olliej 4y ago
No. B.w.o has no release tracking, it has no ability to track dependencies on other Apple projects, etc B.w.o is where bug fixes happen, no more. Code dev and review has to happen in b.w.o by the webkit community rules, not radar.
- saagarjha 4y ago
  That’s now on GitHub.
dagmx 4y ago
There’s also a difference between WebKit (the open source code) and Safari (the closed source software) I assume internally they’re treated as one component which makes it easier to mirror bugs into radar?
- saagarjha 4y ago
  WebKit has a closed source component that ships alongside Safari, which is entirely closed source.
marcellus23 4y ago
> The only relevant difference between Radar and WebKit Bugzilla is private vs. public. No, this is not true. Radar is not just "a bug tracker" — it is a very powerful project management tool, custom-built over several decades for the way Apple works, with integrations into other internal tools and processes. It should be obvious why Apple wants to track work being done on Webkit using the same tool it uses to track work being done on every other project at the company.
- lapcat 4y ago
  Last time I saw Radar, and its source code, which was admittedly over a decade ago, it was not a "project management tool" as such, although radars could of course be used in project management. It was indeed just a bug tracker, but yes, a very powerful one. At bottom it was a giant Oracle database, with several frontends.
  - marcellus23 4y ago
    I can't speak as to what Radar looked like a decade ago.
- mproud 4y ago
  I know a story of a person who submitted a Radar ticket for an engineer to go get a haircut. They closed the ticket a few days later with a picture showing the issue resolved.
  - saagarjha 4y ago
    Snakes on a Radar is always a fun list to peruse.