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I am not describing sterilizing immunity, I am saying that the original, and the most common understanding of what a vaccine is is "something that you take that

I am not describing sterilizing immunity, I am saying that the original, and the most common understanding of what a vaccine is is "something that you take that makes you not get sick". That is exactly how most vaccines have been advertised for years, and how most people think of them. I do not need to need to be educated about how vaccines work, I know that there is a secondary effect of vaccines that primes your immune system and makes the disease easier to fight. But it's a secondary effect, otherwise we would call more things "vaccines", as we know that for example "exercise helps with immune response".

woodruffw 4y ago
You're talking about a simplified "pop" understanding of what a vaccine is and does. Even in elementary school I wasn't told that a vaccine prevents disease; I was told that it provokes an immune response that provides resistance to a disease. The fact that people confuse the two is a legitimate public education problem. But it doesn't change what they actually are, or how medical professionals use the word. > But it's a secondary effect, otherwise we would call more things "vaccines", as we know that for example "exercise helps with immune response". It is the effect. I think everybody understands the difference between taking care of yourself and receiving a medical preparation that stimulates your immune system against a specific disease.
dxhdr 4y ago
> I am not describing sterilizing immunity, I am saying that the original, and the most common understanding of what a vaccine is is "something that you take that makes you not get sick". The CDC changed the definition of vaccine on Sept 2, 2021 and removed the reference to immunity. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210901163633/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210901163633/https://www.cdc.g... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20210902194040/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210902194040/https://www.cdc.g... And just to preempt your question, every news source reachable via Google says the change has nothing to do with COVID or the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine.
- yucky 4y ago
  > every news source reachable via Google says the change has nothing to do with COVID or the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine. Does that sound logical to you? The definition went unchanged for years until the CDC came under direct attack for the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine compared to other vaccines. If it's unrelated, wouldn't that make it quite a coincidence?
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    I think the person you're responding to is being facetious. Either way, it doesn't matter: the website in question is a public information page, not a medical reference. The CDC updated it because it was incorrect, and the timing of their update makes perfect sense given the public's confusion (and predation around that confusion).

woodruffw 4y ago

You're talking about a simplified "pop" understanding of what a vaccine is and does. Even in elementary school I wasn't told that a vaccine prevents disease; I was told that it provokes an immune response that provides resistance to a disease. The fact that people confuse the two is a legitimate public education problem. But it doesn't change what they actually are, or how medical professionals use the word. > But it's a secondary effect, otherwise we would call more things "vaccines", as we know that for example "exercise helps with immune response". It is the effect. I think everybody understands the difference between taking care of yourself and receiving a medical preparation that stimulates your immune system against a specific disease.

dxhdr 4y ago

> I am not describing sterilizing immunity, I am saying that the original, and the most common understanding of what a vaccine is is "something that you take that makes you not get sick". The CDC changed the definition of vaccine on Sept 2, 2021 and removed the reference to immunity. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210901163633/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210901163633/https://www.cdc.g... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20210902194040/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20210902194040/https://www.cdc.g... And just to preempt your question, every news source reachable via Google says the change has nothing to do with COVID or the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine.

yucky 4y ago
> every news source reachable via Google says the change has nothing to do with COVID or the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine. Does that sound logical to you? The definition went unchanged for years until the CDC came under direct attack for the effectiveness of the COVID vaccine compared to other vaccines. If it's unrelated, wouldn't that make it quite a coincidence?
- woodruffw 4y ago
  I think the person you're responding to is being facetious. Either way, it doesn't matter: the website in question is a public information page, not a medical reference. The CDC updated it because it was incorrect, and the timing of their update makes perfect sense given the public's confusion (and predation around that confusion).