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I got the flu shot after which, about a month later, I got a bad case of flu with symptoms similar to what you described above. Flu shots may help but they may

I got the flu shot after which, about a month later, I got a bad case of flu with symptoms similar to what you described above. Flu shots may help but they may also not…

azinman2 4y ago
Then imagine if you hadn’t gotten it. There’s also the chance that you got a variant of that wasn’t protected, hence the value of this work.
- moonchrome 4y ago
  > Then imagine if you hadn’t gotten it. This is nonsense - like you said in the second part - flu shots work on select strains - he could have a different one at which point the shot was useless. This argument (and similar) really sound like religious beliefs ("believe science"). From what I've seen - if you're 18-50 it's not worth getting.
  - consp 4y ago
    > if you're 18-50 it's not worth getting. There are plenty of people for whom is VERY MUCH worth getting in those age categories. Don't generalize with health.
    - moonchrome 4y ago
      True, should have said healthy in that age group.
      - adastra22 4y ago
        Still wrong.
  - michaelmrose 4y ago
    If you still got the flu it doesn't necessarily mean you got a different strain. Vaccination AND infection prime your body to create long lived producers of virus specific antibodies to provide many built in processes of your immune system with immensely better targeting. This process can take days during which your bodies immune system will function but not at an optimum level. Vaccination isn't a guarantee that you wont get sick. Picture your body like Omaha beach on D-Day the more boats landing the better the chances that the invasion makes it past the beach no matter how well armed the defenders. If you are 18-50 the risk of the flu isn't very high but the risk of the shot is comparatively microscopic. It's still worth it on net and it decreases the chances of infecting someone less healthy or older who as mentioned before is imperfectly protected by vaccination alone. You not spreading or as much is fewer invaders on their beach. Anyway I highly recommend "In Defense of Self" https://www.amazon.com/Defense-Self-Immune-System-Really/dp/0195335554 https://www.amazon.com/Defense-Self-Immune-System-Really/dp/... its a little old but well written and comprehensible.
vidarh 4y ago
The problem with the flu shots is that each year there are attempts to predict which strains to vaccinate for that year based on data on spread. You're reasonably well protected against those strains, but far less so against any other strains that may or may not end up being a significant part of that years wave, and so indeed there's always a risk they won't help you. That's exactly what this attempt at a universal vaccine is trying to change.
LarryMullins 4y ago
Flu shot efficacy is 50% in a good year. Many years, the flu shot is much less effective than 50%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine#Effectiveness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine#Effectivenes... Good odds the flu shot did nothing at all for you.
- danaris 4y ago
  ...and the point of this article is that it should be good every year. It will be interesting to see whether it also provides better than 50% efficacy.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    > ...and the point of this article is that it should be good every year. That's their aspiration. Time will tell.

I got the flu shot after which, about a month later, I got a bad case of flu with symptoms similar to what you described above. Flu shots may help but they may also not…

azinman2 4y ago

Then imagine if you hadn’t gotten it. There’s also the chance that you got a variant of that wasn’t protected, hence the value of this work.

moonchrome 4y ago
> Then imagine if you hadn’t gotten it. This is nonsense - like you said in the second part - flu shots work on select strains - he could have a different one at which point the shot was useless. This argument (and similar) really sound like religious beliefs ("believe science"). From what I've seen - if you're 18-50 it's not worth getting.
- consp 4y ago
  > if you're 18-50 it's not worth getting. There are plenty of people for whom is VERY MUCH worth getting in those age categories. Don't generalize with health.
  - moonchrome 4y ago
    True, should have said healthy in that age group.
    - adastra22 4y ago
      Still wrong.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  If you still got the flu it doesn't necessarily mean you got a different strain. Vaccination AND infection prime your body to create long lived producers of virus specific antibodies to provide many built in processes of your immune system with immensely better targeting. This process can take days during which your bodies immune system will function but not at an optimum level. Vaccination isn't a guarantee that you wont get sick. Picture your body like Omaha beach on D-Day the more boats landing the better the chances that the invasion makes it past the beach no matter how well armed the defenders. If you are 18-50 the risk of the flu isn't very high but the risk of the shot is comparatively microscopic. It's still worth it on net and it decreases the chances of infecting someone less healthy or older who as mentioned before is imperfectly protected by vaccination alone. You not spreading or as much is fewer invaders on their beach. Anyway I highly recommend "In Defense of Self" https://www.amazon.com/Defense-Self-Immune-System-Really/dp/0195335554 https://www.amazon.com/Defense-Self-Immune-System-Really/dp/... its a little old but well written and comprehensible.

vidarh 4y ago

The problem with the flu shots is that each year there are attempts to predict which strains to vaccinate for that year based on data on spread. You're reasonably well protected against those strains, but far less so against any other strains that may or may not end up being a significant part of that years wave, and so indeed there's always a risk they won't help you. That's exactly what this attempt at a universal vaccine is trying to change.

LarryMullins 4y ago

Flu shot efficacy is 50% in a good year. Many years, the flu shot is much less effective than 50%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine#Effectiveness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine#Effectivenes... Good odds the flu shot did nothing at all for you.

danaris 4y ago
...and the point of this article is that it should be good every year. It will be interesting to see whether it also provides better than 50% efficacy.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  > ...and the point of this article is that it should be good every year. That's their aspiration. Time will tell.