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Lol, very scientific source there. Some guy claims he got sick in the nineties, as reported by a source already slanted against meat consumption.

Retric 4y ago
It covers the topic in detail. You can find individual studies that cover parts of this topic for example how cooking destroys vitamin C. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30263756/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30263756/ But, I am not going to hand feed you dozens of studies that show why you are wrong.
- reedjosh 4y ago
  > It covers the topic in detail. I read it, but it doesn't provide much actual evidence. The details are just a bunch of tropes that sound like just what nutritionists keep pushing down Americans throats while we all get fatter and sicker. The study you link then only talks about vit C degradation in cooking. I don't see the relevance to this topic? How about a Harvard study directly refuting your original artical's claims? https://academic.oup.com/cdn/article/5/12/nzab133/6415894?login=false https://academic.oup.com/cdn/article/5/12/nzab133/6415894?lo...
  - Retric 4y ago
    > The study you link then only talks about vit C degradation in cooking. Are you suggesting people eat uncooked meat? Because that’s got an entirely different set of risks. As to your study, only “37% denied vitamin supplement use.” You can get Vitamin C from vitamins that’s what they are designed to do. Similarly these people where only on an 85% meat diet, you don’t actually need many fresh sources of vitamin C and you don’t even need to eat it every week. It’s really easy to cover your basic dietary needs. 85% cooked meat and a multivitamin is fine. 100% cooked beef + water isn’t going to cut it.
    - reedjosh 4y ago
      > Are you suggesting people eat uncooked meat? Because that’s got an entirely different set of risks. This is irrelevant to the original conversation, but actually I think in some circumstances yes. Most of the real danger from uncooked or undercooked meats comes from the way we factory raise and handle animals today. I've personally drank raw egg shakes 1000s of times in my life, but I stick to high quality eggs. Overall, the cooking vs vit C argument is irrelevant and I don't know why you've brought it up when my original assertion for which you said I was "...dangerously missinformed." was "I think eating meat also doesn't require vit C to process..." So who cares if cooking does or doesn't degrade vitamin C? As to the study itself 2029 participants of which: """ Red meat consumption was reported as daily or more often by 85%. Under 10% reported consuming vegetables, fruits, or grains more often than monthly, and 37% denied vitamin supplement use. Prevalence of adverse symptoms was low (<1% to 5.5%). """ It's how often they ate red meat, not how much of their diet was meat. Given > Under 10% reported consuming vegetables, fruits, or grains more often than monthly, and 37% denied vitamin supplement use. There's bound to be some crossover for which the 10% that didn't eat anything but meat also didn't take any supplements. Seeing as the belief is that meat alone is sufficient among most of those that didn't supplement and or eat anything other than meat, I think it's fair to surmise that a larger portion of people did this than had issues since Prevalence of adverse symptoms was low (<1% to 5.5%). And really from the way you keep dodging the original topic for which you called me dangerously misinformed, and you misinterpreted much of the abstract in your argument's favor, I'm inclined to believe you are not really arguing in good faith.
      - Retric 4y ago
        Uncooked meat is associated with several extremely serious health conditions. It’s less guaranteed to kill you than a long term complete lack of Vitamin C in your diet, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Anyway, you replied to someone saying “I don’t believe meat actually lacks vitamin C.” With: “I think eating meat also” If that wasn’t agreement with what they said then never mind, but clearly you are reading stuff into that study that it doesn’t actually say. There’s a huge difference from hard data and well some people probably didn’t take a vitamin and also only ate meat. What your doing is not gathering scientific evidence but perpetuating your own biases. This is why you believe things that aren’t true and you should take some time to think about why you’re doing it. PS: Even just occasionally squeezing a lemon across a stake or lobster completely changes the impact of a nearly complete meat diet. Which is why self reported dietary studies are nearly useless.

Retric 4y ago

It covers the topic in detail. You can find individual studies that cover parts of this topic for example how cooking destroys vitamin C. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30263756/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30263756/ But, I am not going to hand feed you dozens of studies that show why you are wrong.

reedjosh 4y ago
> It covers the topic in detail. I read it, but it doesn't provide much actual evidence. The details are just a bunch of tropes that sound like just what nutritionists keep pushing down Americans throats while we all get fatter and sicker. The study you link then only talks about vit C degradation in cooking. I don't see the relevance to this topic? How about a Harvard study directly refuting your original artical's claims? https://academic.oup.com/cdn/article/5/12/nzab133/6415894?login=false https://academic.oup.com/cdn/article/5/12/nzab133/6415894?lo...
- Retric 4y ago
  > The study you link then only talks about vit C degradation in cooking. Are you suggesting people eat uncooked meat? Because that’s got an entirely different set of risks. As to your study, only “37% denied vitamin supplement use.” You can get Vitamin C from vitamins that’s what they are designed to do. Similarly these people where only on an 85% meat diet, you don’t actually need many fresh sources of vitamin C and you don’t even need to eat it every week. It’s really easy to cover your basic dietary needs. 85% cooked meat and a multivitamin is fine. 100% cooked beef + water isn’t going to cut it.
  - reedjosh 4y ago
    > Are you suggesting people eat uncooked meat? Because that’s got an entirely different set of risks. This is irrelevant to the original conversation, but actually I think in some circumstances yes. Most of the real danger from uncooked or undercooked meats comes from the way we factory raise and handle animals today. I've personally drank raw egg shakes 1000s of times in my life, but I stick to high quality eggs. Overall, the cooking vs vit C argument is irrelevant and I don't know why you've brought it up when my original assertion for which you said I was "...dangerously missinformed." was "I think eating meat also doesn't require vit C to process..." So who cares if cooking does or doesn't degrade vitamin C? As to the study itself 2029 participants of which: """ Red meat consumption was reported as daily or more often by 85%. Under 10% reported consuming vegetables, fruits, or grains more often than monthly, and 37% denied vitamin supplement use. Prevalence of adverse symptoms was low (<1% to 5.5%). """ It's how often they ate red meat, not how much of their diet was meat. Given > Under 10% reported consuming vegetables, fruits, or grains more often than monthly, and 37% denied vitamin supplement use. There's bound to be some crossover for which the 10% that didn't eat anything but meat also didn't take any supplements. Seeing as the belief is that meat alone is sufficient among most of those that didn't supplement and or eat anything other than meat, I think it's fair to surmise that a larger portion of people did this than had issues since Prevalence of adverse symptoms was low (<1% to 5.5%). And really from the way you keep dodging the original topic for which you called me dangerously misinformed, and you misinterpreted much of the abstract in your argument's favor, I'm inclined to believe you are not really arguing in good faith.
    - Retric 4y ago
      Uncooked meat is associated with several extremely serious health conditions. It’s less guaranteed to kill you than a long term complete lack of Vitamin C in your diet, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Anyway, you replied to someone saying “I don’t believe meat actually lacks vitamin C.” With: “I think eating meat also” If that wasn’t agreement with what they said then never mind, but clearly you are reading stuff into that study that it doesn’t actually say. There’s a huge difference from hard data and well some people probably didn’t take a vitamin and also only ate meat. What your doing is not gathering scientific evidence but perpetuating your own biases. This is why you believe things that aren’t true and you should take some time to think about why you’re doing it. PS: Even just occasionally squeezing a lemon across a stake or lobster completely changes the impact of a nearly complete meat diet. Which is why self reported dietary studies are nearly useless.