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Thats what happens if you overpressure people. I can definitely say that since the pandemic, and especially the hardcore propaganda during the first few waves,

by lynx23 4y ago

Thats what happens if you overpressure people. I can definitely say that since the pandemic, and especially the hardcore propaganda during the first few waves, I can feel a distinct revoltion when someone pulls the "it is for the good of others" card. I can only watch my own gut reactions. No, thanks, I am not going to take medicine with questionable test status for "us". Maybe I might have without that hardcore pressure, but I will never forget the media running wild. I know I should feel differently, but I dont. I am through with "us".

jeromegv 4y ago
Okay. But what you say has nothing to do with the scientific value and benefits. It’s just your gut feelings. You are free to feel that of course, to each their own
- lynx23 4y ago
  I think the time of "blindly trusting science" is actually over. Also, invoking science and the statistical benefits of a effectively-forced medical intervention isn't really helping to rebuild trust. Dont get me wrong, I love science. Science alone. Without the media, uninformed journalists, and all the yada yada. I dont trust these people anymore to communicate facts without distoring them. Also, I work at a university, so I actually know that not every scientist is actually a genius. So, knowing that media distort information, and knowing that scientists have to publish, no matter what, does not help build trust in scientific data used to pressure people into compliance. IOW, there are two kind of science. There is the science we have learnt to depend on. And then there is reality, liars and media.
di456 4y ago
I totally get that. The COVID vaccines were marketed as our hope for the end of the pandemic. But people with vaccines kept getting sick afterwards. There was definitely an overpromise and the messaging throughout the pandemic seemed completely "make it up as you go." At the same time there was and still is hardcore political propaganda to divide us into "us" and "them" camps on topics like this. It makes everyone on both sides more easily controlled and manipulated. Being through with "us" puts you into the "them" camp and your decision is equally shaped by the other side of the same propaganda. Are you really looking out for "me" or serving someone else's agenda just the way they want you to? One can decide to skip vaccines and still watch out for their neighbors, they aren't mutually exclusive. Camus' book The Rebel is a fascinating read on the topic. This quote stuck with me over the years: "Every revolutionary ends by becoming either an oppressor or a heretic. In the purely historical universe that they have chosen, rebellion and revolution end in the same dilemma: either police rule or insanity."

by lynx23 4y ago

jeromegv 4y ago

Okay. But what you say has nothing to do with the scientific value and benefits. It’s just your gut feelings. You are free to feel that of course, to each their own

lynx23 4y ago
I think the time of "blindly trusting science" is actually over. Also, invoking science and the statistical benefits of a effectively-forced medical intervention isn't really helping to rebuild trust. Dont get me wrong, I love science. Science alone. Without the media, uninformed journalists, and all the yada yada. I dont trust these people anymore to communicate facts without distoring them. Also, I work at a university, so I actually know that not every scientist is actually a genius. So, knowing that media distort information, and knowing that scientists have to publish, no matter what, does not help build trust in scientific data used to pressure people into compliance. IOW, there are two kind of science. There is the science we have learnt to depend on. And then there is reality, liars and media.

di456 4y ago

I totally get that. The COVID vaccines were marketed as our hope for the end of the pandemic. But people with vaccines kept getting sick afterwards. There was definitely an overpromise and the messaging throughout the pandemic seemed completely "make it up as you go." At the same time there was and still is hardcore political propaganda to divide us into "us" and "them" camps on topics like this. It makes everyone on both sides more easily controlled and manipulated. Being through with "us" puts you into the "them" camp and your decision is equally shaped by the other side of the same propaganda. Are you really looking out for "me" or serving someone else's agenda just the way they want you to? One can decide to skip vaccines and still watch out for their neighbors, they aren't mutually exclusive. Camus' book The Rebel is a fascinating read on the topic. This quote stuck with me over the years: "Every revolutionary ends by becoming either an oppressor or a heretic. In the purely historical universe that they have chosen, rebellion and revolution end in the same dilemma: either police rule or insanity."