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The beef itself is arguably one of the healthiest foods available. The burger ensemble with the fries and buns isn't great. The whole point of vegetarian burg

The beef itself is arguably one of the healthiest foods available. The burger ensemble with the fries and buns isn't great. The whole point of vegetarian burgers is so people following those diets can fit into social settings where others are eating burgers. Most vegetarians are such for ethical reasons, knowing it's harder to get adequate nutrition, and planning accordingly. Hopefully they aren't eating vegeburgers and expecting it to have the same nutrient profile as a real burger.

vjerancrnjak 4y ago
One ingredient is neither healthy or unhealthy. It's only diet/lifestyle that is healthy. A healthy diet can include a variety of ingredients. Associating a particular food with health or illness is an incorrect thing to do, at least I think so.
koolba 4y ago
> Most vegetarians are such for ethical reasons, knowing it's harder to get adequate nutrition, and planning accordingly. Getting adequate nutrition as a vegetarian isn’t difficult at all. Pick a random grain, a random legume, and a random vegetable, maybe throw in a salad, and you’ll average out to everything you need nutritionally. It’s only a problem when you try to transform vegetables into non-vegetables. There’s nothing natural about eating massive amounts of a single part of any fruit or vegetable. The same logic applies to explain why most juice is bad for you. It’s simply not evolutionarily sound to consume just the liquid portion of an entire bag of oranges or apples. It applies to meat as well. A diet of only pork rinds isn’t going to work too well.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  Most vegetarians (as in, more do than don't) have some kind of meaningful nutritional deficiency. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6367879/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6367879/
  - ratsmack 4y ago
    Vegan avoids all animal products while vegetarians will eat milk products and sometimes fish. Since the vegan and vegetarian are often used interchangeably, I believe the article is really referring to the vegan lifestyle.
  - alphazard 4y ago
    Exactly. This is evidence that it is hard. I'm glad the person you are replying to is able to manage a vegetarian diet successfully. It's definitely possible to get adequate nutrition, but most people don't have the understanding or discipline required.
  - kashunstva 4y ago
    This paper is a meta-analysis of studies looking solely at iron stores among vegetarians vs omnivores. It doesn’t broadly address the claim about nutritional deficiencies among those who consume a meat-free diet more broadly. Moreover, among the studies they examined there was significant variability among cutoffs for serum ferritin as indicative of storage iron. About all I can conclude is that premenopausal vegetarian women should supplement with iron.
  - colordrops 4y ago
    As do most meat eaters. What's your point?
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- throw827474737 4y ago
  This so much and to hear it often is similar annoying as those "and if they want to eat a burger/sausage then why don't they eat a real one"... People just not understanding that you do not eat no meat because of taste or disgust, but for ethical andor environmental reasons and just still like similar spice/composition or even just form or type of meal from previous times. Hey grandposter, we even make burgers at home in many different styles without needing to fit into any social settings, but we also like to just try any offering that is out there, unimaginable!
moeris 4y ago
> knowing is harder to get adequate nutrition It's really not, though. Not any harder than in a meat eating diet. Maybe if you're following a vegan diet. Or if you have specific health concerns (like low iron absorption). But then, you should probably have to be careful if you're eating meat, as well.
watwut 4y ago
> The whole point of vegetarian burgers is so people following those diets can fit into social settings where others are eating burgers. I do not think so. I eat meat, but does not go for burgers in general. I have yet to encounter social situation in which me not eating burger would in any way be an issue. It just does not happen, never. Being vegetarian poses social issues I think, but you never need a burger specifically. It is more that people including vegetarians (excluding me I guess) like burger form and like the bun taste.
scoofy 4y ago
>The beef itself is arguably one of the healthiest foods available. What are you talking about? Are you just going to say this without any citation whatsoever? What do you mean by 'healthy'?
- oneoff786 4y ago
  Eating cooked meat will generally give you everything you need except vitamin C.
  - yencabulator 4y ago
    By only looking at a boolean "contains all the things your body needs", you can argue that beef patty topped with a cup of sugar is exactly as healthy.
    - oneoff786 4y ago
      Sure. But cooked meat also generally does not contain anything that is especially bad for you like sugar. Unprocessed meat is a healthy thing to eat. It’s not that controversial. If you’re eating meat and some vitamin c you’re not going to be deficient in anything. There are plenty of fine vegetarian options too of course. Although some people will struggle with anemia and protein deficiency.

vjerancrnjak 4y ago

One ingredient is neither healthy or unhealthy. It's only diet/lifestyle that is healthy. A healthy diet can include a variety of ingredients. Associating a particular food with health or illness is an incorrect thing to do, at least I think so.

koolba 4y ago

> Most vegetarians are such for ethical reasons, knowing it's harder to get adequate nutrition, and planning accordingly. Getting adequate nutrition as a vegetarian isn’t difficult at all. Pick a random grain, a random legume, and a random vegetable, maybe throw in a salad, and you’ll average out to everything you need nutritionally. It’s only a problem when you try to transform vegetables into non-vegetables. There’s nothing natural about eating massive amounts of a single part of any fruit or vegetable. The same logic applies to explain why most juice is bad for you. It’s simply not evolutionarily sound to consume just the liquid portion of an entire bag of oranges or apples. It applies to meat as well. A diet of only pork rinds isn’t going to work too well.

vorpalhex 4y ago
Most vegetarians (as in, more do than don't) have some kind of meaningful nutritional deficiency. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6367879/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6367879/
- ratsmack 4y ago
  Vegan avoids all animal products while vegetarians will eat milk products and sometimes fish. Since the vegan and vegetarian are often used interchangeably, I believe the article is really referring to the vegan lifestyle.
- alphazard 4y ago
  Exactly. This is evidence that it is hard. I'm glad the person you are replying to is able to manage a vegetarian diet successfully. It's definitely possible to get adequate nutrition, but most people don't have the understanding or discipline required.
- kashunstva 4y ago
  This paper is a meta-analysis of studies looking solely at iron stores among vegetarians vs omnivores. It doesn’t broadly address the claim about nutritional deficiencies among those who consume a meat-free diet more broadly. Moreover, among the studies they examined there was significant variability among cutoffs for serum ferritin as indicative of storage iron. About all I can conclude is that premenopausal vegetarian women should supplement with iron.
- colordrops 4y ago
  As do most meat eaters. What's your point?
- urfullofsht 4y ago
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throw827474737 4y ago
This so much and to hear it often is similar annoying as those "and if they want to eat a burger/sausage then why don't they eat a real one"... People just not understanding that you do not eat no meat because of taste or disgust, but for ethical andor environmental reasons and just still like similar spice/composition or even just form or type of meal from previous times. Hey grandposter, we even make burgers at home in many different styles without needing to fit into any social settings, but we also like to just try any offering that is out there, unimaginable!

moeris 4y ago

> knowing is harder to get adequate nutrition It's really not, though. Not any harder than in a meat eating diet. Maybe if you're following a vegan diet. Or if you have specific health concerns (like low iron absorption). But then, you should probably have to be careful if you're eating meat, as well.

watwut 4y ago

> The whole point of vegetarian burgers is so people following those diets can fit into social settings where others are eating burgers. I do not think so. I eat meat, but does not go for burgers in general. I have yet to encounter social situation in which me not eating burger would in any way be an issue. It just does not happen, never. Being vegetarian poses social issues I think, but you never need a burger specifically. It is more that people including vegetarians (excluding me I guess) like burger form and like the bun taste.

scoofy 4y ago

>The beef itself is arguably one of the healthiest foods available. What are you talking about? Are you just going to say this without any citation whatsoever? What do you mean by 'healthy'?

oneoff786 4y ago
Eating cooked meat will generally give you everything you need except vitamin C.
- yencabulator 4y ago
  By only looking at a boolean "contains all the things your body needs", you can argue that beef patty topped with a cup of sugar is exactly as healthy.
  - oneoff786 4y ago
    Sure. But cooked meat also generally does not contain anything that is especially bad for you like sugar. Unprocessed meat is a healthy thing to eat. It’s not that controversial. If you’re eating meat and some vitamin c you’re not going to be deficient in anything. There are plenty of fine vegetarian options too of course. Although some people will struggle with anemia and protein deficiency.