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Not a lawyer but I don't see how you can revoke a perpetual license. If it expired after a period sure, but it doesn't, that's what perpetual means. So it'll b

Not a lawyer but I don't see how you can revoke a perpetual license. If it expired after a period sure, but it doesn't, that's what perpetual means. So it'll be a problem for new products but not for stuff that was licensed under OGL 1.0 already

Akronymus 4y ago
They can't. They sure as hell are trying to/imply being able to, though.
eadler 4y ago
"perpetual" and "irrevocable" have two different meanings in licencing law.
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keypusher 4y ago
From OGL 1.0: 4. Grant and Consideration: In consideration for agreeing to use this License, the Contributors grant You a perpetual, worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive License with the exact terms of this License to Use, the Open Game Content. 9. Updating the License: Wizards or its designated Agents may publish updated versions of this License. You may use any authorized version of this License to copy, modify and distribute any Open Game Content originally distributed under any version of this License. https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/OGL%20License https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/OGL%20License From Gizmodo: One of the biggest changes to the document is that it updates the previously available OGL 1.0 to state it is “no longer an authorized license” Some more background on the terms: https://www.larsenlawoffices.com/can-terminate-perpetual-lic https://www.larsenlawoffices.com/can-terminate-perpetual-lic...
- crooked-v 4y ago
  That part in section 9 doesn't say that it invalidates the part in section 4, though. Reading it strictly, claiming an earlier license is "unauthorized" would merely mean that you can't use the earlier license to redistribute content put out under the later license, not that you can't use the earlier license at all.
  - dndthrowwww 4y ago
    Yeah, and crucially, all of the talk of WotC wanting to revoke OGL 1.0 as applied to existing material is speculation based on the leaked draft discussing its authorization -- there's no specific language claiming it is "revoked". My guess would be that they want to make it clear that despite clause 9, you can't distribute 1.1 material under the 1.0 license. It's a clusterfuck of 1. The leaked license has some really shitty terms in it 2. Folk might be misinterpreting one particular part to mean something other than intended, but its getting the main focus right now (and also treated as absolute fact!) 3. It's leaked so WotC was completely unprepared to answer questions and/or do PR around this If I was e.g. Paizo I would be very urgently demanding clarification, but since I'm not I'm content to wait and see what happens without getting too outraged, yet. (I will 100% boycott WotC/D&D/MTG/etc if they actually do try to revoke 1.0 material, though.)
teeray 4y ago
> how you can revoke a perpetual license The way the US justice system works is if you have more money than all of your opponents, you win.
- einpoklum 4y ago
  ... against domestic opponents. What about those based in other countries?
  - teeray 4y ago
    when it comes to IP, you’d have to ask the RIAA/MPAA
  - TheCleric 4y ago
    Ask Kim Dotcom.
wolverine876 4y ago
In the law, perpetual and irrevocable are different. See here: https://medium.com/@MyLawyerFriend/lets-take-a-minute-to-talk-about-d-d-s-open-gaming-license-ogl-581312d48e2f https://medium.com/@MyLawyerFriend/lets-take-a-minute-to-tal...

Akronymus 4y ago

They can't. They sure as hell are trying to/imply being able to, though.

eadler 4y ago

"perpetual" and "irrevocable" have two different meanings in licencing law.

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keypusher 4y ago

From OGL 1.0: 4. Grant and Consideration: In consideration for agreeing to use this License, the Contributors grant You a perpetual, worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive License with the exact terms of this License to Use, the Open Game Content. 9. Updating the License: Wizards or its designated Agents may publish updated versions of this License. You may use any authorized version of this License to copy, modify and distribute any Open Game Content originally distributed under any version of this License. https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/OGL%20License https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/OGL%20License From Gizmodo: One of the biggest changes to the document is that it updates the previously available OGL 1.0 to state it is “no longer an authorized license” Some more background on the terms: https://www.larsenlawoffices.com/can-terminate-perpetual-lic https://www.larsenlawoffices.com/can-terminate-perpetual-lic...

crooked-v 4y ago
That part in section 9 doesn't say that it invalidates the part in section 4, though. Reading it strictly, claiming an earlier license is "unauthorized" would merely mean that you can't use the earlier license to redistribute content put out under the later license, not that you can't use the earlier license at all.
- dndthrowwww 4y ago
  Yeah, and crucially, all of the talk of WotC wanting to revoke OGL 1.0 as applied to existing material is speculation based on the leaked draft discussing its authorization -- there's no specific language claiming it is "revoked". My guess would be that they want to make it clear that despite clause 9, you can't distribute 1.1 material under the 1.0 license. It's a clusterfuck of 1. The leaked license has some really shitty terms in it 2. Folk might be misinterpreting one particular part to mean something other than intended, but its getting the main focus right now (and also treated as absolute fact!) 3. It's leaked so WotC was completely unprepared to answer questions and/or do PR around this If I was e.g. Paizo I would be very urgently demanding clarification, but since I'm not I'm content to wait and see what happens without getting too outraged, yet. (I will 100% boycott WotC/D&D/MTG/etc if they actually do try to revoke 1.0 material, though.)

teeray 4y ago

> how you can revoke a perpetual license The way the US justice system works is if you have more money than all of your opponents, you win.

einpoklum 4y ago
... against domestic opponents. What about those based in other countries?
- teeray 4y ago
  when it comes to IP, you’d have to ask the RIAA/MPAA
- TheCleric 4y ago
  Ask Kim Dotcom.

wolverine876 4y ago

In the law, perpetual and irrevocable are different. See here: https://medium.com/@MyLawyerFriend/lets-take-a-minute-to-talk-about-d-d-s-open-gaming-license-ogl-581312d48e2f https://medium.com/@MyLawyerFriend/lets-take-a-minute-to-tal...